[Blindtlk] Can a person's movement be affected by blindness?

[cheryl echevarria]

it is called confidence.  If you feel the spirit of the lord in your case 
diane you should go with it, that is what you are feeling and since you are 
in church you should and not wonder what the others are doing.  Being born 
Jewish and going to church with my husband and Pentecostal Churches with my 
step daughter and her grand children it doesn't matter.  Again My own 
opinion.

Confidence, Rhythm etc, it is how the person feels, if you are not 
comfortable doing it then don't but I dance with my husband and by myself, 
hey I couldn't dance when I was sighted that is going to stop me when I am 
blind, gives me more reason to dance.




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Can a person's movement be affected by blindness?


> Hi Jim. I think many of your points are valid, and I have many of the same 
> problems. I have been totally blind since I was two. I am extremely self 
> conscious when it comes to dancing. I generally don't raise my hands or 
> praise dance in church, because I don't know whether others are doing it 
> and how. When I was growing up and tried to dance, I would have people 
> laugh at me and poke fun about how silly I looked.
>
> I don't know how much is actually related to blindness itself though, and 
> how much is related to how we were treated or made to feel as kids. I make 
> this point, because I also know many totally blind people who have been 
> blind most of their lives who are not inhibited. They dance, they move, 
> the kids run and play, and just have a good time. You know what I mean. 
> They aren't made to sit down and sit still and "shut up." (smile) They are 
> encouraged, not made to feel different.  I think of one boy that I went to 
> school with eons ago who was totally blind. Even then I marveled at the 
> way that he would just take off running down the hall as the mood hit.
>
> I was a very shy child, not always knowing what to say to people, and I 
> also have some hearing deficit. One thing that has stuck with me well into 
> middle age, is an exchange that I had with my father when I was a 
> teenager. He was admonishing me one day for the fact that someone had 
> spoken to me and I hadn't responded verbally. He made one simple statement 
> and I quote: "you just sit there with that retarded smile of yours."
>
> Now, to this day, whenever I try to smile at someone, or even catch myself 
> smiling voluntarily, I wonder whether I look "retarded."
>
> So, I really think it depends a lot on how you were programmed by those 
> who raised you.  I am not saying they didn't love us and want the best for 
> us, but you know, I think they go into overkill sometimes. Obviously, it 
> isn't good to let a blind child just sit and rock or twist and turn in the 
> middle of the floor all day long. But sighted kids don't sit completely 
> still all of the time. Yes, Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder had their 
> issues, and I'm not saying that those are all good necessarily, but maybe 
> there is something to be said for allowing them to be themselves. You know 
> what I mean?
>
> I wish I could dance and not feel like I looked crazy, or be spontaneous 
> in my social movements. I know plenty of blind people who have those 
> things accomplished though, so I don't think that blindness itself is the 
> culprit.
> Just my thoughts,
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
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> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:13 PM
> To: Jim
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Can a person's movement be affected by blindness?
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> I know this topic might have been briefly brought up by me in the 
> Blindtalk
> (August 2008 forum).  I've asked questions of a similar nature, but I 
> think
> this goes a bit deeper.  If we've talked about this before, please forgive
> me.  I hope this will spark some good discussion.  I also hope to hear 
> from
> folks with all degrees of blindness, especially from those who have been
> totally blind for a long time, or since birth.  This issue is beginning to
> affect me enough to want to try doing something about it.  Perhaps as a
> precursor, go through the archives and look at a question I sent back in
> August of 2008 dealing with extra hands on for the congenitally blind. 
> This
> goes one or two steps beyond my initial questions.
>
>
>
> As many of you know, I've been blind since birth.  I think I was raised
> pretty normally.  From what I was told, it had been recommended to my mom
> that as a baby that I go see a kids' physical therapist to help get me to
> move a bit more and a bit more freely.  More than anything, she helped
> solidify the whole "up/down and left/right" concepts, among other things.
> That was fine, and I was up and about as any other kid was.  The whole
> blindism thing was also nipped in the bud at a very young age as well.  In
> fact, it might have been nipped too well, because to this day, even when 
> I'm
> totally relaxed, I am generally one who sits quite still.  I can still
> remember my family telling me to sit or stand still when we'd be at other
> people's homes, stores, or other places where I was in public.  I wasn't 
> the
> type to really get in trouble for running around places and causing 
> mischief
> in that way.  While I played outside in my home area, I don't ever really
> remember getting into trouble by just going off and exploring and
> terrorizing other areas the way little kids I know would have done.  I was
> pretty peaceful and content.  My thing was always trying to look good and
> fit in with the regular crowd.
>
>
>
> I never really thought about any of that kind of thing until recently.  I
> find myself on stage more and more, performing and playing music either by
> myself or with two other friends.  I've begun hearing advice such as, "You
> need to look like you're enjoying what you're doing.", or "I wonder how we
> can get you to be more animated and move a little bit so that you're not
> stoic."  One newspaper article recently described me as being 
> "statuesque."
> In fact, I might post that small blurb, because it is suggesting that the
> reason for my way of being deals with blindness.
>
>
>
> "Also, they brought along a friend, Jim Portillo, that played an 
> intriguing
> electric bass ukulele with strings made of polyurethane, which gave it a
> resonance like rubber, very rich sound for such a small instrument. 
> Besides
> perfect licks, he had a great classic, statue-like stance of a bluegrass
> bassist, never wavering, and then later, it was revealed he was blind and
> had only been playing a few weeks."
>
>
>
>
>
> I once took a class on stage craft, and one of the things folks liked 
> about
> my image the most was my smile.  I am told that a lot lately.use the 
> smile.
> I do, but once I'm on stage, I get so focused on what I'm doing that I end
> up forgetting or simply not doing these things that really are attractive 
> to
> a visual audience.  How do blind people get more into the visual aspects 
> of
> things?  Of course I'm enjoying what I'm doing.  There's no greater love 
> for
> me than to play music with my two best friends.
>
>
>
> So, here are some questions now that you know my background.  Is a 
> person's
> natural movement or lack thereof affected by blindness in any way?  How do
> totally blind people learn about movement, expression, etc without looking
> forced or mechanical?  I have given up trying to dance because as a kid, I
> was always told, "Oh, you look like a little robot, pretty mechanical." 
> How
> does one differentiate between what may look like a blindism from natural
> and free-flowing movement?  If my friend tells me to feel free to swing 
> and
> sway as I play, how do I do it without looking like a Ray Charles or 
> Stevie
> Wonder?  Are these valid concerns or things that can or should possibly be
> overcome to some degree, and if so, how?  Maybe I'm either too
> self-conscious or perhaps I'm not totally aware of what some of these 
> "free
> forms of movement and expressions" are?  I don't know.  I'm inclined to
> believe that sighted people learn by watching and imitation.  In my case,
> unless someone literally shows me what to do and puts my body through the
> motions, my interpretations may be different from what they're asking me 
> to
> do.  And, I'm to the point now in what I do where I don't wish to look
> foolish or stand out in the wrong way.
>
>
>
> The good thing about all of this is that I have a whole lot of other 
> things
> going for me.  I do well behind a microphone in that I'm a good MC and
> public speaker.  I'm a good promoter and can get my message across to 
> folks.
> And, when I'm on stage, I deliver a good sounding performance.
>
> My friends have been great ones and very honest with me about things.  I 
> now
> know that I probably stand out a bit more by not doing anything or moving.
> Interesting, huh?  Now, if I begin working on this, I also want to look
> natural and not fake.  I don't want to look like I've memorized a formula
> for movement, especially to various songs.  It's Folk music, right?
>
>
>
> I look forward to a good discussion that will hopefully challenge me to go
> further and see what happens.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
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