[Blindtlk] Navigating Cafeteria Lines

Mon Aug 8 19:49:10 UTC 2011

But, I ask, why must you base your assumptions on a few f individuals in the NFB?  Every group of people, (no matter what group), is going to have it's extremists.  I know, for you see, I was almost one myself.  What you have to understand is this.  Any blind person who things he/she doesn't ever need help from anyone is very insecure.  We in the federation have NEVER, EVER, EVER said that truly independent blind people never need help from anyone.  
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On Aug 8, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote:

> Dave, Gary and all,
> 
> My comments stemmed from my experience with a few NFB members who
> believe that asking for assistance when it's needed, even though not
> doing so could result in them doing something foolish or causing pain
> to someone else, is not something they do. It wasn't intended to be a
> negative characterization of the NFB or any other organization, I was
> just basing my statements from experiences.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On 08.08.2011, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Dear Kelby,
>> 
>> Here are some tips I have found useful.
>> Ask someone to give you a description of the layout of the area and maybe
>> walk you around the first time so you can get an idea of the arrangement of
>> the room, the lanes and the locations of such things as the soda machines,
>> the salad bar, the entrees and so on.
>> Use a tray if you can and you can likely slide it along the food serving
>> tables as you find what you want and place it on the tray.
>> I always lead the tray with one hand to keep from running the tray into
>> other people's trays and so I do not push the tray off the end of the slide
>> and on to the floor.
>> If I can, I try to follow another person and I may even engage them in
>> conversation and use this to give me clues as to when to move up or which
>> way to turn and when.
>>  I might even ask them for some help if I need it.  Never be to proud to
>> ask for help if you need it.
>> When I carry a tray, I place the heaviest objects closest to my hand nearest
>> me.  This lets me balance the tray and the load on it better and keep it
>> under control.
>> I generally hold my cane in my right hand and also one side of the tray.  I
>> can still swing my cane to help me find my way and keep a balance on the
>> tray.
>> Finding a place to sit can sometimes be a challenge, but I ask other people
>> if there is an open seat in the area and generally do okay.  I sometimes ask
>> the casher if there is a seat nearby and to give me some rough directions.
>> I always carry my own food, but I ask for help when I feel I need it and
>> conditions warnt it.
>> I am sure that there are many other tips out there.  I never had anyone show
>> me how to do it and just had to figure it out for myself.
>> Use caps or covers on drinks when ever you can to cut down on spills.  I
>> usually place my drink next to my left hand, at the corner of the tray, so I
>> can place a finger on it to help keep it from sliding and spilling.
>>  I hope others have some tips that help you out also.
>> 
>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>> Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117 Stealth Fighter
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary Wunder" <GWunder at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Navigating Cafeteria Lines
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Kelby. You may get some answers here, but you might also try posting to
>>> the blind student's list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
>>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:23 AM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Navigating Cafeteria Lines
>>> 
>>> Hey, list.
>>> 
>>> I'll be starting college mobility soon, and one of the things I
>>> am wondering about is navigating cafeteria lines.  I haven't done
>>> this much in high school (I brought my own lunch.) Have any of
>>> you worked out ways of navigating the lines in the cafeteria that
>>> don't require a ton of sighted guide? How do you get information
>>> on items away from the main buffet line?
>>> 
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