[Blindtlk] about LWSB

Fri Aug 26 13:31:04 UTC 2011

A few years ago, when I was laid off from a previous job, my rehab counselor suggested I get the IRS training from Lions World.  I had always heard negative things about it, but I'd never actually looked at their site and their application procedures.  Their site was a wealth of information, probably not giving the reactions they'd hope.  This was in 2009.  Part of the application process was an evaluation by a psychiatrist, which I felt was outrageous.  If I wanted to attend some kind of mainstream tech school, I would not be expected to see a psychiatrist as part of the application.  Then, when I read their rules for living in their dorm, I was appalled at the rules they dared to give adults.  I don't remember any of them now, except for the rules about people with guide dogs.  They were generally highly inappropriate, telling the person when they would and would not relieve/groom/anything else their dogs.  As a long time guide dog handler, I was offended on behalf of all of us.  If I don't meet my responsibilities with my service animal, then follow the law's provisions for dealing with that.  However, it isn't up to them to tell a person when where and how to handle their dogs.\

I did not choose to follow through on anything to do with Lions world.  Not to mention, I didn't really want to do the IRS training anyway.

Sherry

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From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Graves, Diane
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] about LWSB

Hi Guys,

I attended Lions World twice, both of them back in the 80s. The first time I was in a secretarial training program, and the second time was a basic medical transcription course. It has been so long ago, that I honestly don't recall whether or not I was forced to talk to a psychiatrist, but I do remember that the center had a very strict policy against staff members "fraternizing" with the students.

One of my instructors was constantly getting in trouble, because she developed friendships with myself and other students and wanted to get together with us after hours. There was definitely a message sent to the students that "we are above you. You are second class. We are the authorities." The funny thing about that though was that the blind instructors, what few there were, got in much less trouble for things like that than did the sighted instructors. Most of the instructors were sighted though.

Diane Graves
Civil Rights Specialist
Indiana Civil Rights Commission
Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
317-232-2647

"It is service that measures success."
George Washington Carver

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From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] about LWSB

Can�t think of any reason why they�d send Ray to a psychiatrist.  On 
the other foot, perhaps they were just trying to keep him on his 
toes.  Still, you have to tread lightly with such matters as some 
people have fairly sensitive skin underfoot.  At the same time, you 
can hardly walk 'round the issues indefinitely.  I dunno though, I 
just can�t put my foot on any plausible cause for concern here.

*grin*

LWSB pretty consistently continues to garner a reputation for being a 
bunch of sighted people who want us to know how awful it is to be 
blind, if nothing else.  That alone suggests to me all I need to know 
about the organization.

Joseph - KF7QZC

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:35:11PM -0500, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>You do not want to get me started on Lion's world!  That place is a trap for the blind.  Did you know that it's mandatory to see the psychiatrist just because you're blind there?  They still have the most backwards philosophy about blindness I ever had anything to do with.  I'm not talking from what somebody else told me; rather, I'm talking from actual personal experience.
>
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>On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Nikki wrote:
>
>>   I was talking about Lion's World in Arkansas.
>> I'm not on the NABS list.
>> I was just informed from a friend of mine who is on the list.
>> My friend knows Rex through the faith talk list.
>> So, I'm just a messenger, lol.
>>
>> I appreciate your offer.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:46 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] about LWSB
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> First, do you mean LCB (Louissianna Center for the Blind?) Are you
>> talking about an NFB training center or another one? Secondly, are you
>> on the NABS list? If not, and you're interested in student-related
>> things (if you are a student or not,) please join us!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 8/25/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>        Hi everyone.
>>> Recently there was some question about LWSB
>>> I have been informed there is a thread going on about it in the NABS list,
>>> in case you don�t already know.
>>>
>>> Rex, this is for you and anyone else curious about the training center.
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