[Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on ExpeditionImpossible

Wed Aug 31 22:12:11 UTC 2011

hi,

relax, i know there are varying amounts of scholarships, just not 300k.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
ExpeditionImpossible

> Hi,
>
> I really need our moderator's help here, because I am really having to put 
> a tight rein on my fingers. You have every right to your own opinions, 
> however misguided they might be, But your comments are inappropriate. If 
> you knew anything about the scholarship program you would know that they 
> aren't all "3k" scholarships. David isn't "smoking" anything. He has a 
> right to his opinion, his kinder, much more mature opinion, and your 
> comment to him was beyond inappropriate..
>
>
> Diane Graves
> Civil Rights Specialist
> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> 317-232-2647
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:29 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on 
> ExpeditionImpossible
>
> hi,
>
> talking to a brick wall!
> 3k is a bit different than 300k!
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
> ExpeditionImpossible
>
>
>>
>> And we didn't put all of our money on him.  We still have money left to
>> make other investments, some of which will come back to us In huge
>> dividends. I was in a room full of former scholarship winners this  past
>> summer, who were drawn to the federation by similar investments.
>>
>> And... if Erik one day realizes that he has more power with us than
>> without us, we'll still be here, and will be eager to put him to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:34 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> ok, maybe con isn't the right word but he had wealth in the family and 
>> had
>> travelled to multiple countries to ascend other mountains.  sounds 
>> similar
>> to playing the stock market.  would you put all of your money on one
>> single
>> stock, i don't think so.
>>
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>
>>
>>> He didn't CON us out of anything. He asked for our help. He was involved
>>> in a project, had taken on a feat that would, when accomplished, make an
>>> unshakable statement about the equality of the blind.  We aren't just
>>> here
>>> to help our members. We are here to benefit all of the blind, so we
>>> weren't being conned. The very sad thing though is that he didn't choose
>>> to keep that partnership going. He got what he needed from us, and now 
>>> he
>>> is choosing to  go on by himself.
>>>
>>> I think it is extremely audacious that he things that, in order to give
>>> us
>>> his time, he can make demands about where he will sit on the agenda, the
>>> amount of time he will be given, and demand that the entire convention 
>>> be
>>> sitting at attention throughout his speech. As someone said yesterday,
>>> Dr.
>>> Maurer does not always get   the kind of time that Erik is
>>> requesting/demanding in order to grace us with his presence. And, very
>>> sadly, Dr. Maurer doesn't always get the level of respect and attendance
>>> from the convention that Erik is demanding.
>>>
>>> But we weren't conned. We made an investment which was guaranteed to
>>> change the way the world saw blindness and that we hoped would come back
>>> to us in the form of a dedicated Federationist. Unfortunately the second
>>> part of that return hasn't happened.
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:02 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> how did a man who doesn't want to associate with the nfb con the nfb out
>>> of
>>> $300k?
>>>
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>>
>>>
>>>> Actually Cindy we are not.
>>>>
>>>> But I am sure nothing is going to change your mind about that. I am 
>>>> sure
>>>> that people who personally know me as well know this as well.
>>>>
>>>> Erik, feels the way he feels!
>>>>
>>>> His father feels the way he feels, but at the same time, the only way
>>>> they
>>>> are going to learn is from attending.
>>>>
>>>> I am not going to push the issues at all.
>>>>
>>>> I did post items on our list that pertain to other disabilities as in a
>>>> question to others, when we pass accessibility laws for us, they affect
>>>> everyone including those that are not blind.
>>>>
>>>> I met Dr. Scott Raines at the Convention, he is a paraplegic, that 
>>>> works
>>>> with the US and international disability community in travel. He also
>>>> help
>>>> create bookshare.
>>>>
>>>> We are working together meaning, if I need help with travel experience
>>>> in
>>>> other countries in the way of accessibility and I don't know I ask him,
>>>> and at the same time it helps to advocate as a blind person as well, he
>>>> came to us at convention and was told by former President Don Gilmore 
>>>> to
>>>> reach out to me because of me working to promote advocacy in the travel
>>>> industry for the blind.
>>>>
>>>> So, should we not allow other people with disabilities not come to our
>>>> convention to learn about us and what we do, that is what it seems.
>>>>
>>>> Only way we are going to become more knowledgeable about one another is
>>>> to
>>>> learn from one another.
>>>>
>>>> Please do not take this as being crude or rude, which I am not being at
>>>> all, just making a point.
>>>>
>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>
>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located 
>>>> in
>>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>>>
>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>>> Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Erik Weihenmeyer on
>>>> ExpeditionImpossible
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think we're coming from different places in our philosophy, Cheryl.
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe in the abilities of *blind* people.  I believe that given the
>>>>> proper
>>>>> training and opportunity, we can compete on an equal basis with our
>>>>> sighted
>>>>> neighbors.  I also believe that the NFB exists to promote that
>>>>> philosophy
>>>>> and fight for the rights of blind people whenever necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe that all other disabilities have a place in the work
>>>>> that
>>>>> the NFB is doing.  We're blind and we know the challenges and barriers
>>>>> we're
>>>>> faced with on a daily basis.  We are not all in wheelchairs or facing
>>>>> other
>>>>> challenges.  There are other organizations to champion people with
>>>>> other
>>>>> disabilities.  Beyond the fact that we are not experts in those areas,
>>>>> financially, it would be prohibitive to take on all challenges.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, until Eric comes to the place where he recognizes that he's a 
>>>>> blind
>>>>> person and the reason he was able to accomplish what he has is in some
>>>>> part
>>>>> due to the work of the National Federation of the Blind, we may not be
>>>>> ready
>>>>> to jump at an opportunity to give him the prime audience his father
>>>>> believes
>>>>> he deserves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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