[Blindtlk] The Dog Dilemma

Thu Jun 23 17:02:53 UTC 2011

Dear Diane,

I echo what Julie has said about walking faster with a dog.  Outside, it can 
be like driving a jet and inside is is about the same as with a cane.
I hope that I get a chance to meeting you at the convention.  I am not hard 
to find as I am the guy in the Florida section blowing the bugle.
Marion Qwizdola is the president of Nagdu and Flagdu and an expert on guide 
dogs and their use. and I am sure he will be at the convention.
Go and talk with the people at the guide dog schools and let them help you 
and come to the Nagdu meeting an ask your questions.

David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
"Orange you glad you are in Florida."
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Dog Dilemma

> Diane,
>
> Yes, generally I move faster with a dog.  Indoors the difference isn't all 
> that much, but outdoors I like to walk briskly.  Each dog is a little 
> different.  My last guide moved at a good pace, but my current guide and I 
> probably walk at around 4mph or a bit more on flat even sidewalks. 
> Again, that's just what works for me.  Every guide dog and handler are 
> matched with speed in mind so they work optimally together.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
> On 6/23/2011 11:17 AM, Graves, Diane wrote:
>> Thanks so much for your response Julie. Do those of you who have 
>> previously used canes and now are using dogs find that you walk more 
>> quickly with your dog than you did with a cane?
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
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>> George Washington Carver
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:12 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Dog Dilemma
>>
>> Diane,
>>
>> You have gotten some excellent information.  I have taken advantage of
>> the opportunity to try out various demo dogs at conventions.  I think to
>> date I have gone on four of these walks.  My curiosity isn't so much to
>> find out what it is like to work with a guide dog, I have a dog that I'm
>> pleased with, but I wanted to know what the differences were among the
>> programs.
>>
>> Something I wanted to mention about going on these demo walks is that
>> the programs bring one dog for many, many people to try out.  that's
>> fine, but it means that that particular dog would not be the right match
>> for many of the people working with him.  I tried out a lovely      lab
>> who was way too slow for me and had no pull into the harness.  for some
>> people he would be perfect, for me it was very difficult to keep to the
>> slower pace and follow his lead with the very light pressure in the
>> harness.  what I'm saying is that a test walk with a guide will give you
>> a general idea of what it might be like, but your own dog will be
>> matched closely to your needs and will most likely be different from the
>> test dog.
>>
>> Each program teaches stairs and curbs a little bit differently.  some
>> dogs will put their front feet up on a curb or bottom step, so you can
>> know how high it is or find the hand rail.  Some programs teach step
>> refusal, which is very similar to what Marion was describing.  the dog
>> is taught to react differently to one step vs. several.  Some dogs are
>> taught to indicate the handrail to the handler if one is available.
>> Some dogs are taught to brace the handler on steps, if the handler has
>> additional disabilities like balance problems.
>>
>> You might also consider joining the NAGDU list.  there are a couple
>> hundered folks who would love to answer your questions!
>>
>> Best,
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/21/2011 8:31 AM, Graves, Diane wrote:
>>> Greetings Federationists,
>>>
>>> I posed this question on here a few weeks ago, and didn't get any 
>>> responses, but the question was included in a response that I sent to 
>>> another thread, so I'm thinking that maybe it was missed somehow by 
>>> those who would have had the answer. Anyway, I wanted to give it another 
>>> try.
>>>
>>> For years now, I have been toying with the idea of getting a guide dog, 
>>> wondering if it would be a good fit. But I have a lot of questions and 
>>> concerns. Anyway, I've been waffling. It's kind of like having children 
>>> I guess, there are a lot of things to consider before you take on the 
>>> responsibility. There are other considerations In terms of 
>>> practicalities, such as the space a dog takes when traveling by car, the 
>>> cost of veterinary bills and so forth.
>>>
>>> Anyway, my question is whether they ever have events at the convention 
>>> where you can get some actual hands on experience with a dog and how it 
>>> might feel to walk with one? I would really hate to make such a decision 
>>> and then realize that I had made a mistake and have to send the dog 
>>> back, do you know what I mean?
>>>
>>> One of my major concerns, in terms of travel, one which I have never 
>>> been able to get a satisfactory answer to is how flights of stairs and 
>>> curbs and so forth are negotiated. When I have asked a fellow 
>>> Federationist  here who is a long time user, I am told that, when her 
>>> dog comes to a drop off, it will stop and then she just sticks her foot 
>>> out and sees that there is a step there and just goes for it. That 
>>> doesn't quite feel right to me, because I don't know how you know 
>>> exactly what you are dealing with. When I come to a drop-off with a 
>>> cane, I can extend my cane and tell whether we have a flight of stairs, 
>>> whether it is a single step, whether the steps are narrow, whether it is 
>>> a high curb, or a seemingly huge drop-off... I can also extend the cane 
>>> to the left or right to see whether there is a banister. I am told that 
>>> dogs tend to take steps really quickly. I am not particularly agile, and 
>>> don't do steps quickly. It's a bit unsettling to think of a dog dragging 
>>> me down
>>   the steps.
>>> Anyway, I would really like to get these, and other questions answered 
>>> before I  decide to "take the plunge."  Otherwise I probably won't. 
>>> There are other ways in which a dog would be really beneficial. For 
>>> instance, they are doing a lot of construction around my work place now. 
>>> My understanding is that the dog would help me avoid such things, take 
>>> me around the debris and relieve me of the stress and frustration that 
>>> comes with trying to negotiate the mess. When traveling alone, 
>>> especially at night, the dog might serve as a deterrent to those who 
>>> were up to no good. We all know, of course, that the dogs are not 
>>> trained to attack and protect, but most of the general public doesn't 
>>> know that.  They think that they are so trained, so would be more apt to 
>>> leave you alone. At times when an area is devoid of landmarks, a dog 
>>> would help ease those frustrations as well.  There are other advantages 
>>> that I see as well, but before I take on the added responsibilities, 
>>> expenses and mi
>>   nor inconveniences, I really want to be relatively sure that the 
>> tradeoffs will be worth it. Does that make sense?
>>> Any information would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> [cid:image002.gif at 01CC2FF2.8517C3A0]
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> George Washington Carver
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