[Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Fri Jun 24 15:59:42 UTC 2011


David,
    I like that story and am going to add it to my repertoire for use at the 
appropriate time! Thanks!

Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization development


>
> Dear Diane and All,i
>
> I think that the problem with most Blind people being apathetic, 
> non-commital and "don't want to do nothing" is like the old story about 
> the traveling salesman who comes to a old house in the country where and 
> old man is sitting in a rocking chair with his old hound dog laying on the 
> porch moaning and wiggling in his sleep.
> The salesman asked the old man, "What's wrong with your dog?"
> The old Man replies," He is laying on a nail."
> The salesman asks, " Why doesn't he just move off the nail?" and the old 
> man replies, " I guess it don't hurt him bad enough yet."
>
> The story kind of illustrates just how allot of Blind people are, and I 
> think that we see this in the general population as well.  We can move 
> into a comfort zone and feel that we do not need to do anything, or  stay 
> in an uncomfortable position and suffer quietly doing nothing to improve 
> our situation, or we can get up and fix the problem by taking action and 
> removing that darn nail.
> I guess we all need to learn how to carry a hammer around with us and to 
> know when and how to use it to fix what needs fixing.
>
> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> MV Transit Consumer Advocate
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development 
> andFlorida Council of the blind students organization development
>
>
>> Hi Joseph,
>>
>> I would agree with this. I think some--not all, but most--of these 
>> individuals who don't think that the problems are real have family 
>> members who are either willing to jump in and read/transport/whatever, or 
>> they have friends in high places who can get them past the 
>> discrimination. Or... they have the money they need to bypass the system.
>>
>> Unfortunately, like it or not, as proven by some of the antics in 
>> Hollywood over the last several years, people who have the money, can 
>> pretty much do whatever they want too. But yes, I would agree, most of 
>> the blind who think everything is okay probably aren't as independent as 
>> they could and should be.
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
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>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:32 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development 
>> and Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>
>> Diane,
>>
>> I’ll opine that if they have been so sheltered, they HAVE in fact
>> experienced the discrimination and belittlement.  They are just
>> blissfully unaware of this fact.  For this, and not for their
>> disability, I pity them.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:34:01AM -0400, Graves, Diane wrote:
>>>Joseph,
>>>
>>>What you say is very true. There are also those blind individuals who are 
>>>reluctant to get involved, because they haven't experienced any 
>>>conflicts. They are blessed to have breezed through life, have had great 
>>>teachers and educational systems, being well received by others, the 
>>>things that they care about have been accessible to them, they have 
>>>experienced no belittlement or discrimination, and on and on. They just 
>>>don't think there is really a problem, because they, themselves, haven't 
>>>dealt with it. Do you know what I mean?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Diane Graves
>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>317-232-2647
>>>
>>>"It is service that measures success."
>>>George Washington Carver
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:29 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
>>>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
>>>development
>>>
>>>I see it as our job to be better than that.  If they are likewise,
>>>good for them.  If they are not, it’s too bad.  We know that what we
>>>are doing is right, and we know we are doing the right thing for the
>>>right reasons.
>>>
>>>I too have seen people say that they believe both organizations need
>>>to "grow up".  That is probably because, at times, some of us have
>>>appeared to react childishly.  Not all of us, and not all the time,
>>>and there may be explanations and justifications for whatever
>>>behavior is thus perceived, but the point stands.  And it is
>>>something we should be careful to avoid.  We "win" (if there is such
>>>a thing as "winning") only by choosing not to play the tit for tat
>>>game with the ACB.
>>>
>>>How can this be?
>>>
>>>There are only four possible outcomes.
>>>
>>>If neither of us are viewed as "acting like adults", the status quo
>>>is maintained.  Not to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If we are viewed as "acting like adults" and the ACB is not, we
>>>benefit.  This is to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If the ACB is viewed as "acting like adults" and we are not, they
>>>benefit.  Not to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If both we and the ACB are viewed as "acting like adults", more
>>>interest is likely to be shown in both organization.  This is to our
>>>advantage.
>>>
>>>The third variable to consider is the person whose perceptions are
>>>being considered.  Some people are simply conflict-adverse.  They do
>>>not care WHAT the lack of harmony is, be it a spirited debate or an
>>>absolute flamefest.  They are likely to reject both organizations
>>>regardless of our behavior because they cannot cope.  That’s not
>>>something we as an organization can do much about.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, this inability to tolerate disharmony seems to affect
>>>the younger generations disproportionately.  "Drama", as they put it,
>>>seems to be fine to watch on TV, but should not be experienced in
>>>real life.  Perhaps this has something to do with why it is so hard
>>>to get the younger generations involved in either organization?
>>>
>>>I’ll not opine as to the reasons for this aversion because it tends
>>>to get into political ideology, and the last time we had such a
>>>discussion on NFB lists, accusations of Nazism and the like were
>>>bandied about.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:16:45PM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they feel both 
>>>>groups need to grow up and get along, or don’t help at all. NOW, DON'T 
>>>>SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
>>>>
>>>>Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter here in 
>>>>Suffolk County.  So there are people that would just not want to be part 
>>>>of either.
>>>>
>>>>I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don’t like the fact they 
>>>>still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the original break up of 
>>>>the NFB way back when.  Many of us were not even born or children when 
>>>>this came about.
>>>>
>>>>And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are not 
>>>>born that way it is learned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>
>>>>Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>>>>631-456-5394
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>Inc.
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too, as
>>>>  long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus.  I personally
>>>>  don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.
>>>>  If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to
>>>>  change it.  Of course, the same holds true of theirs.
>>>>
>>>>  Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false
>>>>  dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem.  If that could be
>>>>  avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the
>>>>  blindness community on at least those issues where there is common
>>>>  ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)
>>>>
>>>>  I didn’t have much luck with that effort.  Too many hotheads on both
>>>>  sides.  Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of
>>>>  hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or
>>>>  even welcomed by one versus the other.
>>>>
>>>>  Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our future.  And
>>>>  that’s a real shame.
>>>>
>>>>  Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>  >Problem  with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can be 
>>>> ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship. 
>>>> There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove 
>>>> people.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>  >
>>>>  >Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>
>>>> 
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>>>>  >631-456-5394
>>>>
>>>> 
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>>>>  >
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>>>>  >
>>>>  >Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & 
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>>>>  >  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  >  From: Humberto 
>>>> Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>>
>>>>  >  To: 'Blind Talk Mailing 
>>>> List'<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>  >  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>>  >  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization 
>>>> development
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  Actually David, can we start putting  stricter guidelines for 
>>>> joining
>>>>  >  mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email message 
>>>> to the
>>>>  >  mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some 
>>>> sort of
>>>>  >  approval process and application, for example, that you can create, 
>>>> for
>>>>  >  joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security 
>>>> reasons. We
>>>>  >  would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
>>>>  >  Just my thoughts, Humberto
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  >  From: 
>>>> blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org>> 
>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>  >  Behalf Of David Andrews
>>>>  >  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
>>>>  >  To: Blind Talk Mailing List; 
>>>> acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-lions at acb.org>>; 
>>>> announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org%3Cmailto:announce at acb.org>>;
>>>>  > 
>>>> acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>>; 
>>>> nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org%3Cmailto:nabs at acb.org>>; 
>>>> acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-l at acb.org>>; 
>>>> acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-chat at acb.org>>;
>>>>  > 
>>>> fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:fcb-l at acb.org>>; 
>>>> leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org%3Cmailto:leadership at acb.org>>; 
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>; 
>>>> fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:fabs at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>  > 
>>>> nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>>; 
>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>>; 
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>  >  Cc: 
>>>> k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com%3Cmailto:k7uij at panix.com>>; 
>>>> steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com%3Cmailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>>
>>>>  >  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter 
>>>> development and
>>>>  >  Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
>>>>  >  Chapter.  I have previously warned you about inappropriate 
>>>> messages,
>>>>  >  consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our lists.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather see
>>>>  >  someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
>>>>  >  will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  David Andrews, List Owner
>>>>  >
>>>>  >  At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>>>>  >  >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>>>>  >  >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
>>>>  >  >  hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who  are members
>>>>  >  > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of 
>>>> the
>>>>  >  > Blind. I would like to start a chapter  of  the Florida Council 
>>>> of
>>>>  >  > the blind called the Greater Broward county-  greater Tamarac
>>>>  >  > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also  like to start a
>>>>  >  > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council 
>>>> of
>>>>  >  > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>>>>  >  > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
>>>>  >  > establishing the chapter  and blind students division  in August 
>>>> of
>>>>  >  > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose 
>>>> the
>>>>  >  > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>>>>  >  > contacted off list at 
>>>> AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>>. 
>>>> I can also be
>>>>  >  > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>>>>  >  > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as 
>>>> possible.
>>>>  >  >Sincerely,
>>>>  >  >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
>>>>  >  >
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