[Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail
Marion Gwizdala
blind411 at verizon.net
Fri Jun 24 15:59:42 UTC 2011
David,
I like that story and am going to add it to my repertoire for use at the
appropriate time! Thanks!
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization development
>
> Dear Diane and All,i
>
> I think that the problem with most Blind people being apathetic,
> non-commital and "don't want to do nothing" is like the old story about
> the traveling salesman who comes to a old house in the country where and
> old man is sitting in a rocking chair with his old hound dog laying on the
> porch moaning and wiggling in his sleep.
> The salesman asked the old man, "What's wrong with your dog?"
> The old Man replies," He is laying on a nail."
> The salesman asks, " Why doesn't he just move off the nail?" and the old
> man replies, " I guess it don't hurt him bad enough yet."
>
> The story kind of illustrates just how allot of Blind people are, and I
> think that we see this in the general population as well. We can move
> into a comfort zone and feel that we do not need to do anything, or stay
> in an uncomfortable position and suffer quietly doing nothing to improve
> our situation, or we can get up and fix the problem by taking action and
> removing that darn nail.
> I guess we all need to learn how to carry a hammer around with us and to
> know when and how to use it to fix what needs fixing.
>
> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> MV Transit Consumer Advocate
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development
> andFlorida Council of the blind students organization development
>
>
>> Hi Joseph,
>>
>> I would agree with this. I think some--not all, but most--of these
>> individuals who don't think that the problems are real have family
>> members who are either willing to jump in and read/transport/whatever, or
>> they have friends in high places who can get them past the
>> discrimination. Or... they have the money they need to bypass the system.
>>
>> Unfortunately, like it or not, as proven by some of the antics in
>> Hollywood over the last several years, people who have the money, can
>> pretty much do whatever they want too. But yes, I would agree, most of
>> the blind who think everything is okay probably aren't as independent as
>> they could and should be.
>>
>> Diane Graves
>> Civil Rights Specialist
>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> 317-232-2647
>>
>> "It is service that measures success."
>> George Washington Carver
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:32 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development
>> and Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>
>> Diane,
>>
>> I’ll opine that if they have been so sheltered, they HAVE in fact
>> experienced the discrimination and belittlement. They are just
>> blissfully unaware of this fact. For this, and not for their
>> disability, I pity them.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:34:01AM -0400, Graves, Diane wrote:
>>>Joseph,
>>>
>>>What you say is very true. There are also those blind individuals who are
>>>reluctant to get involved, because they haven't experienced any
>>>conflicts. They are blessed to have breezed through life, have had great
>>>teachers and educational systems, being well received by others, the
>>>things that they care about have been accessible to them, they have
>>>experienced no belittlement or discrimination, and on and on. They just
>>>don't think there is really a problem, because they, themselves, haven't
>>>dealt with it. Do you know what I mean?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Diane Graves
>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>317-232-2647
>>>
>>>"It is service that measures success."
>>>George Washington Carver
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:29 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>development
>>>
>>>I see it as our job to be better than that. If they are likewise,
>>>good for them. If they are not, it’s too bad. We know that what we
>>>are doing is right, and we know we are doing the right thing for the
>>>right reasons.
>>>
>>>I too have seen people say that they believe both organizations need
>>>to "grow up". That is probably because, at times, some of us have
>>>appeared to react childishly. Not all of us, and not all the time,
>>>and there may be explanations and justifications for whatever
>>>behavior is thus perceived, but the point stands. And it is
>>>something we should be careful to avoid. We "win" (if there is such
>>>a thing as "winning") only by choosing not to play the tit for tat
>>>game with the ACB.
>>>
>>>How can this be?
>>>
>>>There are only four possible outcomes.
>>>
>>>If neither of us are viewed as "acting like adults", the status quo
>>>is maintained. Not to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If we are viewed as "acting like adults" and the ACB is not, we
>>>benefit. This is to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If the ACB is viewed as "acting like adults" and we are not, they
>>>benefit. Not to our advantage.
>>>
>>>If both we and the ACB are viewed as "acting like adults", more
>>>interest is likely to be shown in both organization. This is to our
>>>advantage.
>>>
>>>The third variable to consider is the person whose perceptions are
>>>being considered. Some people are simply conflict-adverse. They do
>>>not care WHAT the lack of harmony is, be it a spirited debate or an
>>>absolute flamefest. They are likely to reject both organizations
>>>regardless of our behavior because they cannot cope. That’s not
>>>something we as an organization can do much about.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, this inability to tolerate disharmony seems to affect
>>>the younger generations disproportionately. "Drama", as they put it,
>>>seems to be fine to watch on TV, but should not be experienced in
>>>real life. Perhaps this has something to do with why it is so hard
>>>to get the younger generations involved in either organization?
>>>
>>>I’ll not opine as to the reasons for this aversion because it tends
>>>to get into political ideology, and the last time we had such a
>>>discussion on NFB lists, accusations of Nazism and the like were
>>>bandied about.
>>>
>>>Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:16:45PM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they feel both
>>>>groups need to grow up and get along, or don’t help at all. NOW, DON'T
>>>>SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
>>>>
>>>>Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter here in
>>>>Suffolk County. So there are people that would just not want to be part
>>>>of either.
>>>>
>>>>I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don’t like the fact they
>>>>still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the original break up of
>>>>the NFB way back when. Many of us were not even born or children when
>>>>this came about.
>>>>
>>>>And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are not
>>>>born that way it is learned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>
>>>>Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>>>>631-456-5394
>>>>reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>>>
>>>>Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
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>>>>
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>>>>Inc.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too, as
>>>> long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus. I personally
>>>> don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.
>>>> If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to
>>>> change it. Of course, the same holds true of theirs.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false
>>>> dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem. If that could be
>>>> avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the
>>>> blindness community on at least those issues where there is common
>>>> ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)
>>>>
>>>> I didn’t have much luck with that effort. Too many hotheads on both
>>>> sides. Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of
>>>> hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or
>>>> even welcomed by one versus the other.
>>>>
>>>> Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our future. And
>>>> that’s a real shame.
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>> >Problem with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can be
>>>> ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship.
>>>> There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove
>>>> people.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>> >
>>>> >Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>>>> >631-456-5394
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> >
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>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>> >
>>>> >Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
>>>> Travel, Inc.
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: Humberto
>>>> Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>>
>>>> > To: 'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>> List'<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>> development
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually David, can we start putting stricter guidelines for
>>>> joining
>>>> > mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email message
>>>> to the
>>>> > mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some
>>>> sort of
>>>> > approval process and application, for example, that you can create,
>>>> for
>>>> > joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security
>>>> reasons. We
>>>> > would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
>>>> > Just my thoughts, Humberto
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From:
>>>> blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> > Behalf Of David Andrews
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
>>>> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List;
>>>> acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-lions at acb.org>>;
>>>> announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org%3Cmailto:announce at acb.org>>;
>>>> >
>>>> acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>>;
>>>> nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org%3Cmailto:nabs at acb.org>>;
>>>> acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-l at acb.org>>;
>>>> acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-chat at acb.org>>;
>>>> >
>>>> fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:fcb-l at acb.org>>;
>>>> leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org%3Cmailto:leadership at acb.org>>;
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>> fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:fabs at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>> >
>>>> nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> > Cc:
>>>> k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com%3Cmailto:k7uij at panix.com>>;
>>>> steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com%3Cmailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>> development and
>>>> > Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>>> >
>>>> > Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
>>>> > Chapter. I have previously warned you about inappropriate
>>>> messages,
>>>> > consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our lists.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather see
>>>> > someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
>>>> > will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>>>> >
>>>> > David Andrews, List Owner
>>>> >
>>>> > At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>>>> > >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>>>> > >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
>>>> > > hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who are members
>>>> > > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of
>>>> the
>>>> > > Blind. I would like to start a chapter of the Florida Council
>>>> of
>>>> > > the blind called the Greater Broward county- greater Tamarac
>>>> > > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also like to start a
>>>> > > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council
>>>> of
>>>> > > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>>>> > > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
>>>> > > establishing the chapter and blind students division in August
>>>> of
>>>> > > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose
>>>> the
>>>> > > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>>>> > > contacted off list at
>>>> AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>>.
>>>> I can also be
>>>> > > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>>>> > > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as
>>>> possible.
>>>> > >Sincerely,
>>>> > >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
>>>> > >
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