[Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail
T. Joseph Carter
carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
Sat Jun 25 01:04:46 UTC 2011
I’ll agree with this, insofar as it goes. You have to be willing to
stand for something, or you risk standing for nothing. What I
learned in Colorado, though, is that some have never had the
opportunity to do so.
They come to the Colorado Center at around age 20 or so, never having
been allowed to so much as make a sandwich on their own. And we
begin to show them what they CAN do, instead of what they can’t. It
is usually pretty overwhelming.
In one case, a young guy came to to the center while I was a student
for whom my description is if anything a gross understatement. He
was clearly never expected or permitted to do ANYTHING for himself.
Well, he was learning. He was making progress. And then Christmas
break (which is a whole 'nother story for me!) and he went home.
He didn’t return in January. What I heard was that his mom made the
decision that the Denver snow was too much for him. Maybe in the
spring…
I left the Center in March. I don’t know if he ever came back to the
Center, but my gut tells me that his mother wouldn’t allow him to
come back. After all, she was continuously shocked by the things we
were expecting him to do for himself! (The fact that he was quite
capable of doing them as evidenced by the fact that he WAS doing them
never seemed to cross this woman’s mind.)
How much of that is his fault for being a grown man and having no
control over his life? And how much of that is his mother’s doing?
I place most or even all of the responsibility on her, because he has
never been given the opportunity to make any decisions for himself.
For milder cases, though, such as those we’ve been discussing, who is
responsible? In large, we are who we’re raised to be.
Joseph
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 01:45:11PM -0400, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>Nikki,
> Unfortunately, too many people are always trying to make other
>people happy. Often, this is at the expense of their own happiness. I
>am sure you have heard the adage, "You can please some of the people
>some of the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time!"
> The other point I would like to make is, if you concern yourself
>with offending someone else's opinion, philosophy, or beliefs, you
>will never develop your own, express your own, or commit to your own.
>When you take a stand and commit to working for the greater good, you
>will feel so much more fulfilled than if you waffle through life
>never committing to what you believe in!
>
>Fraternally yours,
>Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikki Wunderlich"
><nikki0222 at gmail.com>
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail
>
>
>>I've got to say that is an interesting story about the dog. I've
>>also got to say that a lot of us "younger people" as you guys put
>>it have a hard time dealing with conflict because as children and
>>teens we were guilted and critizized by our families, and so we
>>tend to want to make every one happy. At least that is what I've
>>noticed amung my blind friends and I. I'm not saying that makes it
>>ok to avoid conflict, I'm just saying. Also we tend not to want to
>>side with people or organizations, because in doing so we are
>>siding with one person or a group of people, and that could make
>>the other person or group unhappy.
>>
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>>On 6/24/2011 10:59 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>>>David,
>>> I like that story and am going to add it to my repertoire for
>>>use at the appropriate time! Thanks!
>>>
>>>Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:26 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization
>>>development
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Diane and All,i
>>>>
>>>>I think that the problem with most Blind people being
>>>>apathetic, non-commital and "don't want to do nothing" is like
>>>>the old story about the traveling salesman who comes to a old
>>>>house in the country where and old man is sitting in a rocking
>>>>chair with his old hound dog laying on the porch moaning and
>>>>wiggling in his sleep.
>>>>The salesman asked the old man, "What's wrong with your dog?"
>>>>The old Man replies," He is laying on a nail."
>>>>The salesman asks, " Why doesn't he just move off the nail?"
>>>>and the old man replies, " I guess it don't hurt him bad enough
>>>>yet."
>>>>
>>>>The story kind of illustrates just how allot of Blind people
>>>>are, and I think that we see this in the general population as
>>>>well. We can move into a comfort zone and feel that we do not
>>>>need to do anything, or stay in an uncomfortable position and
>>>>suffer quietly doing nothing to improve our situation, or we
>>>>can get up and fix the problem by taking action and removing
>>>>that darn nail.
>>>>I guess we all need to learn how to carry a hammer around with
>>>>us and to know when and how to use it to fix what needs fixing.
>>>>
>>>>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>>>>MV Transit Consumer Advocate
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:12 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>development andFlorida Council of the blind students
>>>>organization development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Joseph,
>>>>>
>>>>>I would agree with this. I think some--not all, but most--of
>>>>>these individuals who don't think that the problems are real
>>>>>have family members who are either willing to jump in and
>>>>>read/transport/whatever, or they have friends in high places
>>>>>who can get them past the discrimination. Or... they have the
>>>>>money they need to bypass the system.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately, like it or not, as proven by some of the
>>>>>antics in Hollywood over the last several years, people who
>>>>>have the money, can pretty much do whatever they want too.
>>>>>But yes, I would agree, most of the blind who think
>>>>>everything is okay probably aren't as independent as they
>>>>>could and should be.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Graves
>>>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>317-232-2647
>>>>>
>>>>>"It is service that measures success."
>>>>>George Washington Carver
>>>>>
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>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph
>>>>>Carter
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:32 PM
>>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>>development and Florida Council of the blind students
>>>>>organization development
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane,
>>>>>
>>>>>I’ll opine that if they have been so sheltered, they HAVE in fact
>>>>>experienced the discrimination and belittlement. They are just
>>>>>blissfully unaware of this fact. For this, and not for their
>>>>>disability, I pity them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:34:01AM -0400, Graves, Diane wrote:
>>>>>>Joseph,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What you say is very true. There are also those blind
>>>>>>individuals who are reluctant to get involved, because they
>>>>>>haven't experienced any conflicts. They are blessed to have
>>>>>>breezed through life, have had great teachers and
>>>>>>educational systems, being well received by others, the
>>>>>>things that they care about have been accessible to them,
>>>>>>they have experienced no belittlement or discrimination,
>>>>>>and on and on. They just don't think there is really a
>>>>>>problem, because they, themselves, haven't dealt with it.
>>>>>>Do you know what I mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Diane Graves
>>>>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>>>317-232-2647
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"It is service that measures success."
>>>>>>George Washington Carver
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph
>>>>>>Carter
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:29 PM
>>>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind
>>>>>>Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind
>>>>>>students organization development
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see it as our job to be better than that. If they are likewise,
>>>>>>good for them. If they are not, it’s too bad. We know that what we
>>>>>>are doing is right, and we know we are doing the right thing for the
>>>>>>right reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I too have seen people say that they believe both organizations need
>>>>>>to "grow up". That is probably because, at times, some of us have
>>>>>>appeared to react childishly. Not all of us, and not all the time,
>>>>>>and there may be explanations and justifications for whatever
>>>>>>behavior is thus perceived, but the point stands. And it is
>>>>>>something we should be careful to avoid. We "win" (if there is such
>>>>>>a thing as "winning") only by choosing not to play the tit for tat
>>>>>>game with the ACB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How can this be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are only four possible outcomes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If neither of us are viewed as "acting like adults", the status quo
>>>>>>is maintained. Not to our advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If we are viewed as "acting like adults" and the ACB is not, we
>>>>>>benefit. This is to our advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the ACB is viewed as "acting like adults" and we are not, they
>>>>>>benefit. Not to our advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If both we and the ACB are viewed as "acting like adults", more
>>>>>>interest is likely to be shown in both organization. This is to our
>>>>>>advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The third variable to consider is the person whose perceptions are
>>>>>>being considered. Some people are simply conflict-adverse. They do
>>>>>>not care WHAT the lack of harmony is, be it a spirited debate or an
>>>>>>absolute flamefest. They are likely to reject both organizations
>>>>>>regardless of our behavior because they cannot cope. That’s not
>>>>>>something we as an organization can do much about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately, this inability to tolerate disharmony seems to affect
>>>>>>the younger generations disproportionately. "Drama", as they put it,
>>>>>>seems to be fine to watch on TV, but should not be experienced in
>>>>>>real life. Perhaps this has something to do with why it is so hard
>>>>>>to get the younger generations involved in either organization?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I’ll not opine as to the reasons for this aversion because it tends
>>>>>>to get into political ideology, and the last time we had such a
>>>>>>discussion on NFB lists, accusations of Nazism and the like were
>>>>>>bandied about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:16:45PM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>>>>I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because
>>>>>>>they feel both groups need to grow up and get along, or
>>>>>>>don’t help at all. NOW, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local
>>>>>>>chapter here in Suffolk County. So there are people that
>>>>>>>would just not want to be part of either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don’t
>>>>>>>like the fact they still have 6-7 pages of bashing the
>>>>>>>NFB from the original break up of the NFB way back when.
>>>>>>>Many of us were not even born or children when this came
>>>>>>>about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And you know what they say about people being prejudice,
>>>>>>>you are not born that way it is learned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>>>http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>>>>>>>631-456-5394
>>>>>>>reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose
>>>>>>>Travel CST-1018299-10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute
>>>>>>>Cruise & Travel, Inc.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind
>>>>>>>Chapter developmentand Florida Council of the blind
>>>>>>>students organization development
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping
>>>>>>>ship too, as
>>>>>>> long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus. I personally
>>>>>>> don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.
>>>>>>> If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to
>>>>>>> change it. Of course, the same holds true of theirs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false
>>>>>>> dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem. If that could be
>>>>>>> avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the
>>>>>>> blindness community on at least those issues where there is common
>>>>>>> ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn’t have much luck with that effort. Too many hotheads on both
>>>>>>> sides. Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of
>>>>>>> hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or
>>>>>>> even welcomed by one versus the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our
>>>>>>>future. And
>>>>>>> that’s a real shame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>>>>>Problem with this, we want all blind and people to join, they
>>>>>>>can be ACB members why not especially if they are
>>>>>>>thinking of jumping ship. There are guidelines for the
>>>>>>>groups, and David Andrews can remove people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>631-456-5394
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>>>>CST-1018299-10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
>>>>>>>Travel, Inc.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Humberto
>>>>>>>Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>>>>List'<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>>>>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students
>>>>>>>organization development
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually David, can we start putting stricter guidelines for
>>>>>>>joining
>>>>>>>> mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email
>>>>>>>message to the
>>>>>>>> mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is
>>>>>>>some sort of
>>>>>>>> approval process and application, for example, that you can
>>>>>>>create, for
>>>>>>>> joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security
>>>>>>>reasons. We
>>>>>>>> would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, Humberto
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of David Andrews
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List;
>>>>>>>acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-lions at acb.org>>; announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org%3Cmailto:announce at acb.org>>;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>>; nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org%3Cmailto:nabs at acb.org>>; acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-l at acb.org>>; acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-chat at acb.org>>;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:fcb-l at acb.org>>; leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org%3Cmailto:leadership at acb.org>>; nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>; fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:fabs at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>>; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>>; blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com%3Cmailto:k7uij at panix.com>>; steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com%3Cmailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>>>>development and
>>>>>>>> Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
>>>>>>>> Chapter. I have previously warned you about inappropriate
>>>>>>>messages,
>>>>>>>> consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our
>>>>>>>lists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather
>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>> someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
>>>>>>>> will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>>>>>>>> >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>>>>>>>> >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
>>>>>>>> > hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who are members
>>>>>>>> > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council
>>>>>>>of the
>>>>>>>> > Blind. I would like to start a chapter of the Florida
>>>>>>>Council of
>>>>>>>> > the blind called the Greater Broward county- greater Tamarac
>>>>>>>> > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also like to start a
>>>>>>>> > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida
>>>>>>>Council of
>>>>>>>> > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>>>>>>>> > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking at
>>>>>>>> > establishing the chapter and blind students division in
>>>>>>>August of
>>>>>>>> > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>>>>>>>> > contacted off list at
>>>>>>>AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>>.
>>>>>>>I can also be
>>>>>>>> > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>>>>>>>> > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as
>>>>>>>possible.
>>>>>>>> >Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
>>>>>>>> >
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