[Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail
Steve P. Deeley
stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
Sat Jun 25 12:25:00 UTC 2011
Individuals will usually act when things or the situation becomes too
uncomfortable for them.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:59 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] Lying on a Nail
> David,
> I like that story and am going to add it to my repertoire for use at
> the
> appropriate time! Thanks!
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
> developmentandFlorida Council of the blind students organization
> development
>
>
>>
>> Dear Diane and All,i
>>
>> I think that the problem with most Blind people being apathetic,
>> non-commital and "don't want to do nothing" is like the old story about
>> the traveling salesman who comes to a old house in the country where and
>> old man is sitting in a rocking chair with his old hound dog laying on
>> the
>> porch moaning and wiggling in his sleep.
>> The salesman asked the old man, "What's wrong with your dog?"
>> The old Man replies," He is laying on a nail."
>> The salesman asks, " Why doesn't he just move off the nail?" and the old
>> man replies, " I guess it don't hurt him bad enough yet."
>>
>> The story kind of illustrates just how allot of Blind people are, and I
>> think that we see this in the general population as well. We can move
>> into a comfort zone and feel that we do not need to do anything, or stay
>> in an uncomfortable position and suffer quietly doing nothing to improve
>> our situation, or we can get up and fix the problem by taking action and
>> removing that darn nail.
>> I guess we all need to learn how to carry a hammer around with us and to
>> know when and how to use it to fix what needs fixing.
>>
>> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> MV Transit Consumer Advocate
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development
>> andFlorida Council of the blind students organization development
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joseph,
>>>
>>> I would agree with this. I think some--not all, but most--of these
>>> individuals who don't think that the problems are real have family
>>> members who are either willing to jump in and read/transport/whatever,
>>> or
>>> they have friends in high places who can get them past the
>>> discrimination. Or... they have the money they need to bypass the
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, like it or not, as proven by some of the antics in
>>> Hollywood over the last several years, people who have the money, can
>>> pretty much do whatever they want too. But yes, I would agree, most of
>>> the blind who think everything is okay probably aren't as independent as
>>> they could and should be.
>>>
>>> Diane Graves
>>> Civil Rights Specialist
>>> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>> 317-232-2647
>>>
>>> "It is service that measures success."
>>> George Washington Carver
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>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:32 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter development
>>> and Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>>
>>> Diane,
>>>
>>> I’ll opine that if they have been so sheltered, they HAVE in fact
>>> experienced the discrimination and belittlement. They are just
>>> blissfully unaware of this fact. For this, and not for their
>>> disability, I pity them.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 08:34:01AM -0400, Graves, Diane wrote:
>>>>Joseph,
>>>>
>>>>What you say is very true. There are also those blind individuals who
>>>>are
>>>>reluctant to get involved, because they haven't experienced any
>>>>conflicts. They are blessed to have breezed through life, have had great
>>>>teachers and educational systems, being well received by others, the
>>>>things that they care about have been accessible to them, they have
>>>>experienced no belittlement or discrimination, and on and on. They just
>>>>don't think there is really a problem, because they, themselves, haven't
>>>>dealt with it. Do you know what I mean?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Diane Graves
>>>>Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>317-232-2647
>>>>
>>>>"It is service that measures success."
>>>>George Washington Carver
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>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On
>>>>Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:29 PM
>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>>development
>>>>
>>>>I see it as our job to be better than that. If they are likewise,
>>>>good for them. If they are not, it’s too bad. We know that what we
>>>>are doing is right, and we know we are doing the right thing for the
>>>>right reasons.
>>>>
>>>>I too have seen people say that they believe both organizations need
>>>>to "grow up". That is probably because, at times, some of us have
>>>>appeared to react childishly. Not all of us, and not all the time,
>>>>and there may be explanations and justifications for whatever
>>>>behavior is thus perceived, but the point stands. And it is
>>>>something we should be careful to avoid. We "win" (if there is such
>>>>a thing as "winning") only by choosing not to play the tit for tat
>>>>game with the ACB.
>>>>
>>>>How can this be?
>>>>
>>>>There are only four possible outcomes.
>>>>
>>>>If neither of us are viewed as "acting like adults", the status quo
>>>>is maintained. Not to our advantage.
>>>>
>>>>If we are viewed as "acting like adults" and the ACB is not, we
>>>>benefit. This is to our advantage.
>>>>
>>>>If the ACB is viewed as "acting like adults" and we are not, they
>>>>benefit. Not to our advantage.
>>>>
>>>>If both we and the ACB are viewed as "acting like adults", more
>>>>interest is likely to be shown in both organization. This is to our
>>>>advantage.
>>>>
>>>>The third variable to consider is the person whose perceptions are
>>>>being considered. Some people are simply conflict-adverse. They do
>>>>not care WHAT the lack of harmony is, be it a spirited debate or an
>>>>absolute flamefest. They are likely to reject both organizations
>>>>regardless of our behavior because they cannot cope. That’s not
>>>>something we as an organization can do much about.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, this inability to tolerate disharmony seems to affect
>>>>the younger generations disproportionately. "Drama", as they put it,
>>>>seems to be fine to watch on TV, but should not be experienced in
>>>>real life. Perhaps this has something to do with why it is so hard
>>>>to get the younger generations involved in either organization?
>>>>
>>>>I’ll not opine as to the reasons for this aversion because it tends
>>>>to get into political ideology, and the last time we had such a
>>>>discussion on NFB lists, accusations of Nazism and the like were
>>>>bandied about.
>>>>
>>>>Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 04:16:45PM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>>I find many not wanting to belong to either, only because they feel
>>>>>both
>>>>>groups need to grow up and get along, or don’t help at all. NOW, DON'T
>>>>>SHOOT THE MESSENGER!
>>>>>
>>>>>Mind you I have had these issues trying to start a local chapter here
>>>>>in
>>>>>Suffolk County. So there are people that would just not want to be
>>>>>part
>>>>>of either.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been on the ACB website before, I myself don’t like the fact
>>>>>they
>>>>>still have 6-7 pages of bashing the NFB from the original break up of
>>>>>the NFB way back when. Many of us were not even born or children when
>>>>>this came about.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you know what they say about people being prejudice, you are not
>>>>>born that way it is learned.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
>>>>>631-456-5394
>>>>>reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>>>>>
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>>>>>CST-1018299-10
>>>>>
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>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: T. Joseph Carter<mailto:carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>>> development
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I figure they can be ACB members not thinking of jumping ship too, as
>>>>> long as they’re not trying to cause a constant ruckus. I personally
>>>>> don’t even mind a debate now and then about their views versus ours.
>>>>> If our position cannot stand up to honest debate, then we ought to
>>>>> change it. Of course, the same holds true of theirs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, too often debates of this nature degrade to false
>>>>> dichotomies, straw men, and your basic ad homiem. If that could be
>>>>> avoided, we might actually get somewhere with trying to unite the
>>>>> blindness community on at least those issues where there is common
>>>>> ground (which is more of them than you’d think, actually!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn’t have much luck with that effort. Too many hotheads on both
>>>>> sides. Of course I’ve got my own opinions about the distribution of
>>>>> hotheads is to each side, and to what extent they are tolerated or
>>>>> even welcomed by one versus the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suffice it to say that I don’t predict much unity in our future. And
>>>>> that’s a real shame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 06:47:52AM -0400, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>> >Problem with this, we want all blind and people to join, they can
>>>>> be
>>>>> ACB members why not especially if they are thinking of jumping ship.
>>>>> There are guidelines for the groups, and David Andrews can remove
>>>>> people.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
>>>>> >631-456-5394
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
>>>>> CST-1018299-10
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
>>>>> Travel, Inc.
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: Humberto
>>>>> Avila<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com<mailto:avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>>
>>>>> > To: 'Blind Talk Mailing
>>>>> List'<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>> developmentand Florida Council of the blind students organization
>>>>> development
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Actually David, can we start putting stricter guidelines for
>>>>> joining
>>>>> > mailing lists from the NFB instead of just sending an email
>>>>> message
>>>>> to the
>>>>> > mailman or filling out the form? Is there a way that there is some
>>>>> sort of
>>>>> > approval process and application, for example, that you can
>>>>> create,
>>>>> for
>>>>> > joining an NFB list? I say this because of greater security
>>>>> reasons. We
>>>>> > would be less vulnerable to spam and ad messages if we do so also.
>>>>> > Just my thoughts, Humberto
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From:
>>>>> blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> > Behalf Of David Andrews
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:27 PM
>>>>> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List;
>>>>> acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org<mailto:acb-lions at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-lions at acb.org>>;
>>>>> announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org<mailto:announce at acb.org%3Cmailto:announce at acb.org>>;
>>>>> >
>>>>> acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org<mailto:acb-hsp at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-hsp at acb.org>>;
>>>>> nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org<mailto:nabs at acb.org%3Cmailto:nabs at acb.org>>;
>>>>> acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org<mailto:acb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-l at acb.org>>;
>>>>> acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org<mailto:acb-chat at acb.org%3Cmailto:acb-chat at acb.org>>;
>>>>> >
>>>>> fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org<mailto:fcb-l at acb.org%3Cmailto:fcb-l at acb.org>>;
>>>>> leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org<mailto:leadership at acb.org%3Cmailto:leadership at acb.org>>;
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>> fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org<mailto:fabs at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:fabs at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>> >
>>>>> nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>> nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>>;
>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>> > Cc:
>>>>> k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com<mailto:k7uij at panix.com%3Cmailto:k7uij at panix.com>>;
>>>>> steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com<mailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com%3Cmailto:steve.jacobson at visi.com>>
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Florida Council of the Blind Chapter
>>>>> development and
>>>>> > Florida Council of the blind students organization development
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Are you nuts -- writing to a bunch of NFb lists to start an ACB
>>>>> > Chapter. I have previously warned you about inappropriate
>>>>> messages,
>>>>> > consequently you will be removed and banned from joining our
>>>>> lists.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I don't care about your starting an ACB Chapter, I would rather
>>>>> see
>>>>> > someone involved with them instead of nothing, but we can not and
>>>>> > will not be the vehicle of your advertising.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > David Andrews, List Owner
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At 10:12 PM 6/21/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote:
>>>>> > >Tuesday, June 21, 2011
>>>>> > >Hello all fcb and NFB members,
>>>>> > > hello all blind broward county Florida citizens who are
>>>>> members
>>>>> > > of the National Federation of the Blind and American Council of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > Blind. I would like to start a chapter of the Florida Council
>>>>> of
>>>>> > > the blind called the Greater Broward county- greater Tamarac
>>>>> > > Florida Council of the Blind. I would also like to start a
>>>>> > > National alliance of blind students devision for Florida Council
>>>>> of
>>>>> > > the Blind called the Greater tamarac- Greater broward county
>>>>> > > Florida blind students Coalolission incorporated. I am looking
>>>>> at
>>>>> > > establishing the chapter and blind students division in August
>>>>> of
>>>>> > > 2011. I would like to get a list of people together to propose
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > devision and the new chapter of FCB to Paul Edwards. I can be
>>>>> > > contacted off list at
>>>>> AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com<mailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com%3Cmailto:AScottKaiser10301990 at inbox.com>>.
>>>>> I can also be
>>>>> > > called at 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can be called on skype at
>>>>> > > Alexander.the.great1990. Please respond as immediately as
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> > >Sincerely,
>>>>> > >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
>>>>> > >
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