[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
Ray Foret Jr
rforetjr at att.net
Fri Mar 4 16:07:05 UTC 2011
Just calling a spade a spade. IF we fail to call a thing what it is, we cannot hav an absolutely honest disucssion with either ourselves or anybody else. Besides which, I aint the first person; and, I suspect, nor will I be the last to use such terms.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
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On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Anjelina wrote:
> Let's back up the bus. . .
> It's not fair to call people "idiot, and "stupid." What's common sense to us might not be common sense to another person. Yes, I admit I've gotten outlandish questions also, but kindly answering them and moving on seems to work.
> Our archives are also public.
> -----Original Message----- From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>
> My guess is that there's a whole country of idiots. It's composed of people who think the blind can't do anything. They have got to be the all time most stupid people in the world!!!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Michelle Medina wrote:
>
>> Marion, Janette,
>> Ugh, ugh, ugh!!!! There's no accounting for stupidity! Do you know how
>> many villages are missing their idiots right now??? Lol.
>>
>> On 3/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> and I thought I had heard it all. My oh my.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Jeanette Fortin wrote:
>>>
>>>> WELL I have had folks ask me who cooks for my kids and how much help do i
>>>> have come in to help, none, when we lived on the island we had a maid but
>>>> it was in support of the local islanders who needed work on the island to
>>>> support families, i also homeschooled my kids and folks couldn't imagine
>>>> how a blind person could teach anything, really?
>>>> just amazing, jeanette
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:11 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I went to see a dermatologist once who said, You're really clean! Who
>>>>> bathes you?" I expressed my dismay that a well educated person like a
>>>>> doctor would ask such an offensively stereotypical question, as I took
>>>>> out my business card and handed it to him.Then I asked him "Who bathes
>>>>> you?" He apologized profusely, sharing that he understands how I feel
>>>>> because he has a clubbed foot! There's no accounting for convoluted
>>>>> logic! In the words of Archie Bunker, "That's the kind of straight
>>>>> thinking we need nowadays!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Medina"
>>>>> <michellem86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Responses of Medical Professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have been absolutely furious!!!! In fact, I must confess, I may
>>>>>> have accidentally *purposely* stabbed her hand or arm as my food was
>>>>>> spinning by.
>>>>>> Chelle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> When I was a kid in Oregon, most blind children were treated at the
>>>>>>> University of Oregon Medical School. Being an RLF (now ROP, nothing's
>>>>>>> changed but the initials) child, all the interns took a look at me.
>>>>>>> Looking
>>>>>>> back, I don't remember any of them introducing themselves, but they
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> loved working with the pressure gage and the slit lamp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My best medical story, though, comes from eye surgery in the seventies.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was in the hospital after surgery, and was getting my first real meal.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know that there was something on my chart that said I was blind, since,
>>>>>>> after all, the bandages over the eyes wouldn't give any clue. The
>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>> staff came in, and put the food tray on the table over the bed, and I
>>>>>>> thanked her, assuming our interaction was done. She looked at me,
>>>>>>> looked at
>>>>>>> my wife who was in the room, and turned the tray 180 degrees. I thanked
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> again. She looked back at me, back at my wife and turned it again.
>>>>>>> After the
>>>>>>> third iteration, I confess I lost my patience and asked if I was just
>>>>>>> supposed to use a fork to stab something as it went by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's funny now, but frustrating then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Mc Gee
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Responses of Medical Professionals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Fellow Federationists;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've read with interest all the posts about experiences at
>>>>>>> health care providers' offices. I have some experiences I can throw
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the mix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I'll say that, because the cause of my blindness is
>>>>>>> albinism, I had a unique appearance that was impossible to hide when I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> younger. I was a student at the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ten years and, during that time, I went to the University of Iowa for
>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>> eye care-at least "they" called it eye care. It was more on the order
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> eye study because every med student, intern, and ophthalmology resident
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> to come examines the "albinotic eye" before I received any low vision
>>>>>>> glasses, etc. that would actually improve what little vision I have. I
>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>> like a zoo or circus animal on display because I was a condition rather
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> a person. It hurt a lot and I'm not simply talking about all the
>>>>>>> lights
>>>>>>> shining in my eyes, but also the emotional pain it caused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an adult I've had some doctors who have been very nice
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> some who haven't. The number of nice ones directly correlates with my
>>>>>>> various degrees-all doctors and staffs are nice now that I put
>>>>>>> "Attorney" on
>>>>>>> their intake forms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, when I first came to Des Moines in 1976, visited a
>>>>>>> neurologist because of migraine headaches. He spent more time looking
>>>>>>> at my
>>>>>>> eyes than he did taking a history of the headaches. I went to one
>>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>>> whose office staff handed the intake form to my driver too complete
>>>>>>> until I
>>>>>>> complained. One time, when I went to an orthopedic surgeon's office
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> expert consult to prepare for trial, I was greatly surprised that she
>>>>>>> spent
>>>>>>> fifteen minutes asking about my vision instead of my client's
>>>>>>> treatment. I
>>>>>>> simply told her that, if she billed for those extra minutes, she
>>>>>>> wouldn't be
>>>>>>> paid, because I would deduct that amount of time from my bill back to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> client. She didn't argue and even apologized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fortunate that I currently have a sensitive, caring
>>>>>>> group of
>>>>>>> physicians. I'll have to admit, though, that the trauma of the past
>>>>>>> plus my
>>>>>>> attorney's skepticism is quite hard to eliminate when I meet a new one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Iowa Department for the Blind has been doing a PR
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> with health care providers to educate them with the hope that fewer
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> will have unpleasant experiences when they need help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be interested in hearing if any of you, like me, were
>>>>>>> treated as a medical oddity at any time.
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary L. McGee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW YOU ALL WOULD BLEED FOR ME!" -LAYNE STALEY -
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>> "THESE STAND FOR ME, NAME YOUR GOD AND BLEED THE FREAK!
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW YOU ALL WOULD BLEED FOR ME!" -LAYNE STALEY -
>> "BLEED THE FREAK"
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