[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?

[Michelle Medina]

I second Bernadetta here.
And when I am in public, I don't call people stupid or idiot. I will
however say it to my friends/family without giving it a second
thought. To me it's the same as when a sighted person says to another:
'Did you see that idiot who just pulled out in front of me??? What was
he/she thinking!!??'
So I have no guilt in writing it.

On 3/4/11, David Evans <drevans at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Ray,
>
> How about a banquet speech instead.
>
> David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>
>
>> Somehow, I see a monitor article coming out of this.  Thoughts Gary?  Or,
>> am I being presumptuous?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
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>>
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>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bernadetta Pracon wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone:
>>> While I agree with the opinion that we  should probably refrain from
>>> using inflammatory phrases or words based on the fact that this list is
>>> publicly archived, I see another side to this argument. Sure, most people
>>>
>>> who don't normally encounter those of us who are   blind or visually
>>> impaired are not going to know very much about how we live day to day.
>>> They  will most likely have some   preconceived assumptions about us. But
>>>
>>> just because they do not know much about blindness does not mean we have
>>> to acquiesse to their ignorance. Of course, we can't verbally beat them
>>> up for assuming things about us, and we should educate where necessary,
>>> but we are allowed to have our rants now and then. Especially when the
>>> comments and assumptions made about us are overly ignorant and in a way,
>>> almost insulting. In many cases, these people are well meaning, and they
>>> are not conscious that their assumptions are rediculous to us, and with a
>>>
>>> little bit of education they get on the right track.
>>> However, a comment such as "who bathes you", said from one grown man to
>>> another, not to mention a doctor, is sort of inexcusable. It's the kind
>>> of question a child would ask, because they really didn't know any
>>> better. Someone educated to be a doctor should most certainly know
>>> better. Therefore, I think we can allow ourselves a little leeway
>>> regarding etiquette under the circumstance.
>>> And look at it this way: If a sighted person does see a message on this
>>> topic with the word "idiot" in it, they might just wake up to the fact
>>> that blind people aren't angels who won't flinch under the weight of
>>> insult and ignorance. I say this not to be a radical snob, but because I
>>> realize that sometimes, sighted people expect us to be docile,
>>> well-behaved people due to our disibility, and it's not welcome or
>>> expected of us to express  our feelings of shock and  ridicule. If they
>>> see a little rant now and then as a response to something ignorant that
>>> was said, it might just make us appear a little more human. Of course,
>>> it's a given to us that we are every bit as human as our sighted
>>> counterparts, but our response to this sort of thing might just make that
>>>
>>> point come across a little more clearly.
>>> Now, I am not at all suggesting we throw away all inhibitions and start
>>> writing posts that are dirogatory. We shouldn't go around calling people
>>> names such as idiot and the like. That's not right, and it doesn't
>>> accomplish anything. That being said, I have to admit against my better
>>> judgement, that sometimes, they just plain ask for it.
>>>
>>> On a lighter note:
>>> I think that Marion's response to the doctor was witty and clever.
>>> Definitely better than if he had called him an idiot. lol
>>>
>>> Just my two cents guys. Sorry for the somewhat lengthy post.
>>>
>>> All Best,
>>> Bernadetta
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