[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?

Fri Mar 4 22:04:37 UTC 2011

In response to your question, a dermatologist would ask the question because they are responsible for knowing the entire picture about what is going on in the body even though they specialize with the skin.
---- Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Still don't see the validity in it. As someone else said, if your a
> medical professional, you should already know that being blind doesn't
> stop a person from bathing themselves, unless they have another
> disability such as some type of palsy, and nevermind the fact that
> some people who have multiple disabilities can still take care of
> themselves, just depending on the level of disability. Further more,
> why would a dermatologist ask such a question?
> 
> On 3/4/11, dstrick1 at roadrunner.com <dstrick1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> > As I read this thread I cannot help but wonder who is in the wrong here. As
> > a future medical practitioner and being blind myself, I see the validity in
> > a question such as who bathes you. What you closed minded people do not
> > realize is how much information this provides to a practitioner. It says a
> > lot about your physical abilities because one thing you all seem to be
> > forgetting is that there are a lot of other disabilities out there that
> > prevent someone from bathing themselves. Furthermore to call someone stupid
> > or an idiot only goes to show your own level of ignorance.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Derrick
> > ---- Gloria Whipple <ladygloria at webband.com> wrote:
> >> I agree with you both whole hardily.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gloria Whipple
> >> Corresponding Secretary
> >> Inland Empire chapter
> >> nfb of WA
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Mary Mc Gee
> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:59 AM
> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
> >>
> >> Hi Again;
> >> 	Diane is right.  There is a limit to education.  That's why
> >> sometimes the silly response is the best.  It makes light of the thing,
> >> but
> >> it also clearly makes the point of how stupid the question was in the
> >> first
> >> place.
> >> 	We're not obligated to educate--I always rationalize that I wasn't
> >> sent here to save the world and, if I wanted to spend my life educating,
> >> I'd
> >> have been a teacher by profession.
> >> 	There's a place for education and a place for advocacy.  I
> >> specialize in the advocacy part and, if, for example I run into something
> >> that's pure bigotry, I remind the culprit that there are laws against
> >> that.
> >>
> >> 	Whoever said some sighted people expect us to be docile is accurate.
> >> Some do.  They expect us to quietly accept their charity and be grateful.
> >> That's not the way it works.  I was taught to be second-class at a school
> >> for the blind, yet, I was taught I was more fortunate that those who are
> >> totally blind.  Not anymore!  We're all first-class and we must never let
> >> the sighted world forget it!
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Mary
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Graves, Diane
> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:46 PM
> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I think these are some excellent points. I think that everything has its
> >> place, including education of the sighted public, and I don't mean to
> >> imply
> >> that we should just throw that out the window. But come on, guys, this is
> >> the 21st century.  Think about it. If people were making these disparaging
> >> comments and asking these condescending questions on the basis of our
> >> races,
> >> our national origins, our genders, our religious affiliations, we wouldn't
> >> be required to educate! It would simply be unacceptable. And... for a
> >> doctor
> >> to get through medical school with that level of stupidity is simply
> >> inexcusable.
> >>
> >> I mean, education is all well and good, and people who have always had
> >> sight
> >> and then suddenly have to learn to live without it, most definitely need
> >> education. But when does the obligation to educate give way to the right
> >> to
> >> be respected?
> >> Diane Graves
> >> Civil Rights Specialist
> >> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
> >> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
> >> 317-232-2647
> >>
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> >> George Washington Carver
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:09 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
> >>
> >> Yeah, Dr. Maurer would just love this one.
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>
> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> >> Skype name:
> >> barefootedray
> >>
> >> Facebook:
> >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> >>
> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:54 PM, David Evans wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Dear Ray,
> >> >
> >> > How about a banquet speech instead.
> >> >
> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:44 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Somehow, I see a monitor article coming out of this.  Thoughts Gary?
> >> >> Or,
> >> am I being presumptuous?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sincerely,
> >> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> >> >> Skype name:
> >> >> barefootedray
> >> >>
> >> >> Facebook:
> >> >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bernadetta Pracon wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Everyone:
> >> >>> While I agree with the opinion that we  should probably refrain from
> >> using inflammatory phrases or words based on the fact that this list is
> >> publicly archived, I see another side to this argument. Sure, most people
> >> who don't normally encounter those of us who are   blind or visually
> >> impaired are not going to know very much about how we live day to day.
> >> They
> >> will most likely have some   preconceived assumptions about us. But just
> >> because they do not know much about blindness does not mean we have to
> >> acquiesse to their ignorance. Of course, we can't verbally beat them up
> >> for
> >> assuming things about us, and we should educate where necessary, but we
> >> are
> >> allowed to have our rants now and then. Especially when the comments and
> >> assumptions made about us are overly ignorant and in a way, almost
> >> insulting. In many cases, these people are well meaning, and they are not
> >> conscious that their assumptions are rediculous to us, and with a little
> >> bit
> >> of education they get on the right tra
> >>  ck.
> >> >>> However, a comment such as "who bathes you", said from one grown man
> >> >>> to
> >> another, not to mention a doctor, is sort of inexcusable. It's the kind of
> >> question a child would ask, because they really didn't know any better.
> >> Someone educated to be a doctor should most certainly know better.
> >> Therefore, I think we can allow ourselves a little leeway regarding
> >> etiquette under the circumstance.
> >> >>> And look at it this way: If a sighted person does see a message on
> >> >>> this
> >> topic with the word "idiot" in it, they might just wake up to the fact
> >> that
> >> blind people aren't angels who won't flinch under the weight of insult and
> >> ignorance. I say this not to be a radical snob, but because I realize that
> >> sometimes, sighted people expect us to be docile, well-behaved people due
> >> to
> >> our disibility, and it's not welcome or expected of us to express  our
> >> feelings of shock and  ridicule. If they see a little rant now and then as
> >> a
> >> response to something ignorant that was said, it might just make us appear
> >> a
> >> little more human. Of course, it's a given to us that we are every bit as
> >> human as our sighted counterparts, but our response to this sort of thing
> >> might just make that point come across a little more clearly.
> >> >>> Now, I am not at all suggesting we throw away all inhibitions and
> >> >>> start
> >> writing posts that are dirogatory. We shouldn't go around calling people
> >> names such as idiot and the like. That's not right, and it doesn't
> >> accomplish anything. That being said, I have to admit against my better
> >> judgement, that sometimes, they just plain ask for it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On a lighter note:
> >> >>> I think that Marion's response to the doctor was witty and clever.
> >> Definitely better than if he had called him an idiot. lol
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just my two cents guys. Sorry for the somewhat lengthy post.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All Best,
> >> >>> Bernadetta
> >> >>>
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