[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?

Fri Mar 4 23:54:22 UTC 2011

Thank you Constance!

On 3/4/11, Constance Canode <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Very well said, Michelle.  I agree with your comment wholeheartedly.
>
>
> At 03:19 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
>>Still don't see the validity in it. As someone else said, if your a
>>medical professional, you should already know that being blind doesn't
>>stop a person from bathing themselves, unless they have another
>>disability such as some type of palsy, and nevermind the fact that
>>some people who have multiple disabilities can still take care of
>>themselves, just depending on the level of disability. Further more,
>>why would a dermatologist ask such a question?
>>
>>On 3/4/11, dstrick1 at roadrunner.com <dstrick1 at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> > As I read this thread I cannot help but wonder who is in the wrong here.
>> > As
>> > a future medical practitioner and being blind myself, I see the validity
>> > in
>> > a question such as who bathes you. What you closed minded people do not
>> > realize is how much information this provides to a practitioner. It says
>> > a
>> > lot about your physical abilities because one thing you all seem to be
>> > forgetting is that there are a lot of other disabilities out there that
>> > prevent someone from bathing themselves. Furthermore to call someone
>> > stupid
>> > or an idiot only goes to show your own level of ignorance.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> > Derrick
>> > ---- Gloria Whipple <ladygloria at webband.com> wrote:
>> >> I agree with you both whole hardily.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gloria Whipple
>> >> Corresponding Secretary
>> >> Inland Empire chapter
>> >> nfb of WA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Mary Mc Gee
>> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:59 AM
>> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Again;
>> >>      Diane is right.  There is a limit to education.  That's why
>> >> sometimes the silly response is the best.  It makes light of the thing,
>> >> but
>> >> it also clearly makes the point of how stupid the question was in the
>> >> first
>> >> place.
>> >>      We're not obligated to educate--I always rationalize that I wasn't
>> >> sent here to save the world and, if I wanted to spend my life
>> >> educating,
>> >> I'd
>> >> have been a teacher by profession.
>> >>      There's a place for education and a place for advocacy.  I
>> >> specialize in the advocacy part and, if, for example I run into
>> >> something
>> >> that's pure bigotry, I remind the culprit that there are laws against
>> >> that.
>> >>
>> >>      Whoever said some sighted people expect us to be docile is
>> >> accurate.
>> >> Some do.  They expect us to quietly accept their charity and be
>> >> grateful.
>> >> That's not the way it works.  I was taught to be second-class at a
>> >> school
>> >> for the blind, yet, I was taught I was more fortunate that those who
>> >> are
>> >> totally blind.  Not anymore!  We're all first-class and we must never
>> >> let
>> >> the sighted world forget it!
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Mary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Graves, Diane
>> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:46 PM
>> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>> >>
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> I think these are some excellent points. I think that everything has
>> >> its
>> >> place, including education of the sighted public, and I don't mean to
>> >> imply
>> >> that we should just throw that out the window. But come on, guys, this
>> >> is
>> >> the 21st century.  Think about it. If people were making these
>> >> disparaging
>> >> comments and asking these condescending questions on the basis of our
>> >> races,
>> >> our national origins, our genders, our religious affiliations, we
>> >> wouldn't
>> >> be required to educate! It would simply be unacceptable. And... for a
>> >> doctor
>> >> to get through medical school with that level of stupidity is simply
>> >> inexcusable.
>> >>
>> >> I mean, education is all well and good, and people who have always had
>> >> sight
>> >> and then suddenly have to learn to live without it, most definitely
>> >> need
>> >> education. But when does the obligation to educate give way to the
>> >> right
>> >> to
>> >> be respected?
>> >> Diane Graves
>> >> Civil Rights Specialist
>> >> Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>> >> Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>> >> 317-232-2647
>> >>
>> >> "It is service that measures success."
>> >> George Washington Carver
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>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:09 PM
>> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, Dr. Maurer would just love this one.
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>
>> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> >> Skype name:
>> >> barefootedray
>> >>
>> >> Facebook:
>> >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:54 PM, David Evans wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Ray,
>> >> >
>> >> > How about a banquet speech instead.
>> >> >
>> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:44 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Somehow, I see a monitor article coming out of this.  Thoughts Gary?
>> >> >> Or,
>> >> am I being presumptuous?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sincerely,
>> >> >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> >> >> Skype name:
>> >> >> barefootedray
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Facebook:
>> >> >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Bernadetta Pracon wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Everyone:
>> >> >>> While I agree with the opinion that we  should probably refrain
>> >> >>> from
>> >> using inflammatory phrases or words based on the fact that this list is
>> >> publicly archived, I see another side to this argument. Sure, most
>> >> people
>> >> who don't normally encounter those of us who are   blind or visually
>> >> impaired are not going to know very much about how we live day to day.
>> >> They
>> >> will most likely have some   preconceived assumptions about us. But
>> >> just
>> >> because they do not know much about blindness does not mean we have to
>> >> acquiesse to their ignorance. Of course, we can't verbally beat them up
>> >> for
>> >> assuming things about us, and we should educate where necessary, but we
>> >> are
>> >> allowed to have our rants now and then. Especially when the comments
>> >> and
>> >> assumptions made about us are overly ignorant and in a way, almost
>> >> insulting. In many cases, these people are well meaning, and they are
>> >> not
>> >> conscious that their assumptions are rediculous to us, and with a
>> >> little
>> >> bit
>> >> of education they get on the right tra
>> >>  ck.
>> >> >>> However, a comment such as "who bathes you", said from one grown
>> >> >>> man
>> >> >>> to
>> >> another, not to mention a doctor, is sort of inexcusable. It's the kind
>> >> of
>> >> question a child would ask, because they really didn't know any better.
>> >> Someone educated to be a doctor should most certainly know better.
>> >> Therefore, I think we can allow ourselves a little leeway regarding
>> >> etiquette under the circumstance.
>> >> >>> And look at it this way: If a sighted person does see a message on
>> >> >>> this
>> >> topic with the word "idiot" in it, they might just wake up to the fact
>> >> that
>> >> blind people aren't angels who won't flinch under the weight of insult
>> >> and
>> >> ignorance. I say this not to be a radical snob, but because I realize
>> >> that
>> >> sometimes, sighted people expect us to be docile, well-behaved people
>> >> due
>> >> to
>> >> our disibility, and it's not welcome or expected of us to express  our
>> >> feelings of shock and  ridicule. If they see a little rant now and then
>> >> as
>> >> a
>> >> response to something ignorant that was said, it might just make us
>> >> appear
>> >> a
>> >> little more human. Of course, it's a given to us that we are every bit
>> >> as
>> >> human as our sighted counterparts, but our response to this sort of
>> >> thing
>> >> might just make that point come across a little more clearly.
>> >> >>> Now, I am not at all suggesting we throw away all inhibitions and
>> >> >>> start
>> >> writing posts that are dirogatory. We shouldn't go around calling
>> >> people
>> >> names such as idiot and the like. That's not right, and it doesn't
>> >> accomplish anything. That being said, I have to admit against my better
>> >> judgement, that sometimes, they just plain ask for it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On a lighter note:
>> >> >>> I think that Marion's response to the doctor was witty and clever.
>> >> Definitely better than if he had called him an idiot. lol
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just my two cents guys. Sorry for the somewhat lengthy post.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> All Best,
>> >> >>> Bernadetta
>> >> >>>
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>>"THESE STAND FOR ME, NAME YOUR GOD AND BLEED THE FREAK!
>>I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW YOU ALL WOULD BLEED FOR ME!" -LAYNE STALEY -
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