[Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
Marion Gwizdala
blind411 at verizon.net
Sat Mar 5 13:53:40 UTC 2011
At the same time, when the idiocy comes from someone who purports himself as
a highly trained and intelligent medical professional, it certainly is very
stupid! If this offends the medical community, perhaps they would like to
give us the opportunity to be a part of their education! I have tried and
they insist this blind guy - also a highly educated professional - has
nothing of value to offer them. Of course, this is pandemic in the medical
profession and seems to be more prevalent in the field of ophthalmology! Go
figure! Neurologists are taught about the capacity of para & quadriplegics
and know where to refer them for good physical & occupational therapy so
they can fully participate in society on terms of equality. The eye care
profession, generally, tells us we need to take up a hobby we can do with
our hands and leave our independence in the care of those who are light
dependent!
Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
> Let's back up the bus. . .
> It's not fair to call people "idiot, and "stupid." What's common sense to
> us might not be common sense to another person. Yes, I admit I've gotten
> outlandish questions also, but kindly answering them and moving on seems
> to work.
> Our archives are also public.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:14 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>
> My guess is that there's a whole country of idiots. It's composed of
> people who think the blind can't do anything. They have got to be the all
> time most stupid people in the world!!!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
> On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Michelle Medina wrote:
>
>> Marion, Janette,
>> Ugh, ugh, ugh!!!! There's no accounting for stupidity! Do you know how
>> many villages are missing their idiots right now??? Lol.
>>
>> On 3/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> and I thought I had heard it all. My oh my.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Jeanette Fortin wrote:
>>>
>>>> WELL I have had folks ask me who cooks for my kids and how much help do
>>>> i
>>>> have come in to help, none, when we lived on the island we had a maid
>>>> but
>>>> it was in support of the local islanders who needed work on the island
>>>> to
>>>> support families, i also homeschooled my kids and folks couldn't
>>>> imagine
>>>> how a blind person could teach anything, really?
>>>> just amazing, jeanette
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Gwizdala"
>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:11 AM
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Who Bathes You?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I went to see a dermatologist once who said, You're really clean! Who
>>>>> bathes you?" I expressed my dismay that a well educated person like a
>>>>> doctor would ask such an offensively stereotypical question, as I took
>>>>> out my business card and handed it to him.Then I asked him "Who bathes
>>>>> you?" He apologized profusely, sharing that he understands how I feel
>>>>> because he has a clubbed foot! There's no accounting for convoluted
>>>>> logic! In the words of Archie Bunker, "That's the kind of straight
>>>>> thinking we need nowadays!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Medina"
>>>>> <michellem86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Responses of Medical Professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have been absolutely furious!!!! In fact, I must confess, I may
>>>>>> have accidentally *purposely* stabbed her hand or arm as my food was
>>>>>> spinning by.
>>>>>> Chelle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> When I was a kid in Oregon, most blind children were treated at the
>>>>>>> University of Oregon Medical School. Being an RLF (now ROP,
>>>>>>> nothing's
>>>>>>> changed but the initials) child, all the interns took a look at me.
>>>>>>> Looking
>>>>>>> back, I don't remember any of them introducing themselves, but they
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> loved working with the pressure gage and the slit lamp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My best medical story, though, comes from eye surgery in the
>>>>>>> seventies.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was in the hospital after surgery, and was getting my first real
>>>>>>> meal.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know that there was something on my chart that said I was blind,
>>>>>>> since,
>>>>>>> after all, the bandages over the eyes wouldn't give any clue. The
>>>>>>> service
>>>>>>> staff came in, and put the food tray on the table over the bed, and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> thanked her, assuming our interaction was done. She looked at me,
>>>>>>> looked at
>>>>>>> my wife who was in the room, and turned the tray 180 degrees. I
>>>>>>> thanked
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> again. She looked back at me, back at my wife and turned it again.
>>>>>>> After the
>>>>>>> third iteration, I confess I lost my patience and asked if I was
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> supposed to use a fork to stab something as it went by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's funny now, but frustrating then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Mc Gee
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 3:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Responses of Medical Professionals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Fellow Federationists;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've read with interest all the posts about experiences at
>>>>>>> health care providers' offices. I have some experiences I can throw
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the mix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I'll say that, because the cause of my blindness is
>>>>>>> albinism, I had a unique appearance that was impossible to hide when
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> younger. I was a student at the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving
>>>>>>> School
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> ten years and, during that time, I went to the University of Iowa
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>> eye care-at least "they" called it eye care. It was more on the
>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> eye study because every med student, intern, and ophthalmology
>>>>>>> resident
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> to come examines the "albinotic eye" before I received any low
>>>>>>> vision
>>>>>>> glasses, etc. that would actually improve what little vision I have.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>> like a zoo or circus animal on display because I was a condition
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> a person. It hurt a lot and I'm not simply talking about all the
>>>>>>> lights
>>>>>>> shining in my eyes, but also the emotional pain it caused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an adult I've had some doctors who have been very nice
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> some who haven't. The number of nice ones directly correlates with
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> various degrees-all doctors and staffs are nice now that I put
>>>>>>> "Attorney" on
>>>>>>> their intake forms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, when I first came to Des Moines in 1976, visited a
>>>>>>> neurologist because of migraine headaches. He spent more time
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at my
>>>>>>> eyes than he did taking a history of the headaches. I went to one
>>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>>> whose office staff handed the intake form to my driver too complete
>>>>>>> until I
>>>>>>> complained. One time, when I went to an orthopedic surgeon's office
>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>> expert consult to prepare for trial, I was greatly surprised that
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> spent
>>>>>>> fifteen minutes asking about my vision instead of my client's
>>>>>>> treatment. I
>>>>>>> simply told her that, if she billed for those extra minutes, she
>>>>>>> wouldn't be
>>>>>>> paid, because I would deduct that amount of time from my bill back
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> client. She didn't argue and even apologized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fortunate that I currently have a sensitive, caring
>>>>>>> group of
>>>>>>> physicians. I'll have to admit, though, that the trauma of the past
>>>>>>> plus my
>>>>>>> attorney's skepticism is quite hard to eliminate when I meet a new
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Iowa Department for the Blind has been doing a PR
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> with health care providers to educate them with the hope that fewer
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> will have unpleasant experiences when they need help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be interested in hearing if any of you, like me, were
>>>>>>> treated as a medical oddity at any time.
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary L. McGee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> "THESE STAND FOR ME, NAME YOUR GOD AND BLEED THE FREAK!
>>>>>> I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW YOU ALL WOULD BLEED FOR ME!" -LAYNE STALEY -
>>>>>> "BLEED THE FREAK"
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>> "THESE STAND FOR ME, NAME YOUR GOD AND BLEED THE FREAK!
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE, HOW YOU ALL WOULD BLEED FOR ME!" -LAYNE STALEY -
>> "BLEED THE FREAK"
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