[Blindtlk] Para transit Vs. fixed Routes

Mon May 2 21:02:39 UTC 2011

It was said by some on here that we "should Never" take paratransit. We
should never take preferential seating. We should not use half price cards.
But we should use the fixed route system and public transit when we can. And
from what was said, if perhaps we did not use the fixed route system, then
we are not tru federationist. 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gloria Whipple
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 4:29 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Para transit Vs. fixed Routes

No one is trying to judge you. Unless I heard wrong, I didn't pick up on
people here judging those with different disabilities.

I ride Para-transit because of my osteoarthritis.

I think it is up to whatever a person wants to do as far as how they get
around.

Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 13:03
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Paratransit Vs. fixed Routes

All,

First and formost, I know the topic was brought up for those who are normal
blind folks, not those with additional disabilities. But as one of those
people, I must say something.As a Federationist, for my entire life, I will
not stand for the holy than thou crap! Great you can take the fixed route
buses, great you live in an area to which you can use those tools. Have you
holy than thou folks, ever thought that some of us, who have additional
disabilities can not use fixed route systems? Has that ever occurred to you?
Probably not. So what I use the paratransit. Does that bother you? No it
should not. But you look down upon those of who do for reasons we can not
help. Also take into consideration, that I live in a county with no fixed
routes. Yes I have hired drivers, yes I trade and give things to others for
rides. But when I must get some place, like school, I have to use what I
have. I am hearing impaired, hard of hearing, whatever you want to call me.
Also blind, totally blind. God forbid one day some of you folks ever loose
your hearing, or something else worse. Come on folks, don't judge other
blind people. I don't judge you. And NFB'ers wonder why people think we are
so militant, it's the holy than thou crap! 

Back into my hole, where I am happy to say I am different. 

marsha  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 2:53 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List; davidb521 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Paratransit Vs. fixed Routes

Dear All,

All I am advocating is that we all must use the tools and materials we are 
given to get around.
If you can use the fixed route bus for your needs, use it.
If Para-transit is there and there are barriers that prevent you from using 
the fixed route bus for all of your trips, use the Para-transit.
There should be no shame either way.
In some cases there are no options.  We just need to get the job done of 
getting ourselves where and when that we need to go to live our lives the 
best we can.
If you could hold a job,by taking Para-transit, but not the fixed route 
buses, would you choose to hold the job or sit home and let your live pass 
you by?
Reverse that an ask yourself if you could hold a job, using the fixed route 
bus and not the Para-transit service, would you hold that job?
Holding the job would likely change your life for the better, so why does it

matter how you get there to do the job
Having a job could let you move closer to the job and maybe walk to work or 
ride some other form of Public Transportation to work and all of the other 
places you need to go.
Accessing Public Transportation, in any form, adds to your independence and 
advances your life.
I must commute 43 miles one way, 5 days a week to work at my job.
It takes me , and my guide dog Jack, about 2 to 2.5 hours one way each day 
to do this.
I have 3 ways to get to my job.
I can take the Para-transit, which takes just as long as the Fixed route 
bus.  I can take the fixed route bus which means taking 3 buses and a 3 hour

each way trip or I can take 3 buses and the Tri-rail train that cuts 45 
minutes off the fixed route time as long as the train and the buses are on 
time.
I can access the fixed route bus at two different points by walking, but 
need to cross some busy streets to do it.
One of these is the intersections of two 6 lanes roads that have meridians 
in the middle, duel left hand turn lanes and all 4 corners and right on red 
lanes at all four corners too.  I have to cross both roads to get to the 
stop.
The other way , I have to walk out of my way , which is over a mile and need

to cross two busy streets at the corner of a adult living complex, Century 
Village, and a shopping center.
With the risk of crossing these streets, which I do if I must, and the time 
it takes to walk there, with a back pack full of computer equipment, lunch 
and raincoat, dog treats and toys, and you can see why taking the 
Para-transit looks to be the best way for me to do the trip.
I have also been hit twice right outside Century Village in the past so 
forgive me if I am a little gun shy now.  Both times were hit and run and 
they were never caught.  .
I can even work in my computer as I go while we are picking up and dropping 
off other people.  I am more productive verses the bus and train options.
I do what works for me.  I think that you should do the same.
My job and my travels can range over 3 counties and 130 miles sometimes just

to attend meetings of boards and committees I serve on.
I use all available forms of transit in my area at least once or twice a 
month.
I serve on the Palm Tran Service Board, the Palm Tran Para-transit 
Sub-Committee, the Transportation Disadvantaged Local Coordinating Board and

the South Florida Regional Transit Authority/Tri-Rail Advisory Committee.
At my job, I run the window dispatch and get the manifests out to the 
drivers, log them in and out, answer the switchboard and route the calls, 
handle the lost and found and do some driver training.  I am totally blind 
at this point in my life.  I also do public outreach and public relations 
and handle legislative affairs too.

David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nikki Wunderlich" <nikki0222 at gmail.com>
To: <davidb521 at gmail.com>; "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Paratransit Vs. fixed Routes

> Hello David,
>
> I think if you don't have to use parra transit because you can use fixed
> routes with confidence, then I would use the fixed routes. But as I said 
> in
> my last email to the list I do not live with in walking distance of a bus
> stop, and have no way to get to it. Also even if I did live with in 
> walking
> distance of the bus stop there's a busy high way between where I live and
> the bus stop. I believe it's 4 laines either direction. SSo in total I'd
> have to cross 8 lanes of traffic, some of which are turning lanes. 
> Crossing
> 2 or four lanes of traffic doesn't bother me, but any more than that is
> really daunting to me. I mean I could probably do it if I had to, but if I
> don't have to I'm not going to. I used to live with my sister in the same
> apartment complex that I'm living in now, and back then I qualified for
> Metro Mobility, so I don't see why I wouldn't qualify for it now, but 
> we'll
> have to see. Personally if I could use fixed routes I would, because it's
> less expencive, but I can't. It's not because of my travel skills either.
> They're pretty good. My vision is my only disability too. Well I think 
> this
> email is long enough, so I will end it and say to all I hope you have a
> great day!
>
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of David
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Paratransit Vs. fixed Routes
>
> Hello. I was reading the thread discussing the pros and cons of blind
> driving, and noticed some discussion regarding paratransit versus fixed
> routes. What I am wondering is this. Does paratransit in most cities 
> closely
> follow fixed routes within a certain radius as I assume it does in Palm
> Beach County? From what I read from the list, paratransit is neither
> superior or inferior to fixed routes, hence it's name. Therefore, if
> blindness is your only disability, and your travel skills enable you to
> travel anywhere you please with confidence, as is the case with me, what 
> are
> the advantages of paratransit, if any? I am interested in hearing your
> thoughts on this.
>
> David
>
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