[Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?

Mon May 16 02:55:32 UTC 2011

as I said before I use the white cane. I like the white cane, because of
it's convenience. When you're on a plane for example you can fold it up and
put it on your lap leaving the floor space for a cary on, or in public
restrooms you don't have to take the handicapt stall to accomidate you and
the dog, you can hang your cane on the door of a normal stall and take care
of buisness. Also in concerts and busy areas you can bring your cane up in
to a pencil grip to make it shorter so you don't cane the people infront of
you when you're walking, a dog is the same size no matter where you go and
how busy it is.

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Julie J <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I do use both dog and cane and am comfortable with either method of
> mobility.  I do not use the dog and cane at the same time though.
>
> Which method of travel I choose depends on quite a few factors.  Here's a
> few in no particular order.
> If I'm going to a private home or riding in a private car where the owner
> isn't welcoming of my dog.  I typically don't take my guide in private
> vehicles or into private homes unless he has been specifically invited.
> Others handle this differently and that is a perfectly respectable choice.
>
> If the situation I'm going into would be appropriate for the dog.  I don't
> take my guide when I'm going to be sitting squashed in on bleacher seats for
> example.  I don't go to concerts, but that might be another place I wouldn't
> take a dog.
>
> Whether or not I am up to handling my dog.  I never take my guide to
> funerals because I am simply not in a frame of mind to effectively work with
> him in that situation.
>
> How much the dog has already worked.  I just got back from a business trip
> where Monty has essentially been in harness and working for two full days
> with few breaks.  He's tired.  If I go somewhere else this evening, I'd
> leave him at home.
>
> There are probably other considerations, but these are the main things that
> immediately come to mind.  Also these are specific to me and my current
> guide.  I might do things differently with another dog.  Certainly each
> guide dog user has to figure out their own criteria for when to choose which
> tool.  I'd say I work Monty about 75% of the time and use my cane the rest.
> It's a good balance for me.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> essage ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>
>
> Just curious, do you use the cane and the dog interchangably? If so, in
>> what situations do you use the dog and in what situations do you use the
>> cane? Or do you only use the cane when the dog isn't available? Just
>> curious! I'm not old enough to get a dog yet, but I want to.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my Braille-Note
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:28:56 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The thing about trailing is that sooner or later you are going to put your
>> hand into something or someone where you probably didn't want it.  *smile*
>>
>> I think two point touch is the cane travel term you were looking for.
>> shorelining with the cane should find doorways or other landmarks that you
>> were finding using trailing.  Also the sound of the tap of the cane should
>> provide auditory information about hallway openings, the proximity of
>> walls,
>> etc.
>>
>> I do sometimes use trailing at home where I don't use cane or dog.  I find
>> it especially useful when I have a cold or in the early morning-precoffee!
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Kelby! I like the rigid cane because it's lighter, so I can use
>> the tapping technique (can't remember the ONM term for it) a lot easier.
>> I think this technique gives you a lot more information from sound, plus
>> echo location, if you use that.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my Braille-Note
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at usfamily.net
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:31:37 -0500 (CDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no trailing?
>>
>> I'm going to have to agree on this one.  I occasionally trail if
>> I'm looking for a specific door, but even then it's not always
>> necessary.  Whether you use a folding or rigid cane, if your
>> technique is correct you should have no trouble.  (Trust me, it's
>> taken me awhile to develop as much confidence as I as far as
>> speed of travel goes.  I know how you feel.)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:04:47 -0500 (CDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cane travel question: trailing or no
>> trailing?
>>
>> Frankly, you are not sacrificing any information you get from
>> trailing.  Why?  That's because you are mistaken in the belief
>> that you get any useful data at all from that technique.  Better
>> to develope a faster pace and trust your  cane; and thus, trust
>> yourself better also.  Trailing will slow you down and frankly,
>> you'l look strange and lacking in confidence compared to the
>> other blind dues around you who are getting the girls because
>> they are confident.  How's  that for insentive?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On May 11, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I have a cane travel question for you.  For a long time, I was
>> using a folding cane with a pencil tip along with the trailing
>> technique, especially in familiar areas i.e.  home, school, etc.
>> After attending the LAW Program, where they took my folding cane
>> on the first day and gave me a straight (aka rigid) cane with a
>> metal tip that I was required to use during the four days I was
>> there, I started to like the straight cane a lot better and came
>> back home with one.  I don't think I'll switch back to a folding
>> cane unless I have to, by the way.  While I was at the program,
>> one of the blind mentors was helping me learn how to use this new
>> cane, and in the process told me that he would suggest not
>> trailing in hallways (whether they be in familiar or unfamiliar
>> areas) and trusting the cane alone.  He then said that I need to
>> work on a faster, more confident pace than I have already.  One
>> of his reasons for that need of a confident pace, by the way, is
>> to "get the girls," LOL.  So I tried not trailing in the hallways
>> of the Jernigan Institute building, and it did take some getting
>> used to.  After the program, I thought about what he'd said.
>> Although I can understand what he's talking about with the
>> confident pace, I think I get twice the information when I
>> combine trailing with cane technique.  So what do you all think?
>> Should I sacrifice the information I get from trailing and just
>> try to get more information from the cane, or keep trailing and
>> have a little slower pace? Or are there any work-arounds you use
>> that keep the confident pace and still trail? Any help would be
>> appreciated! Thanks!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities
>> motto)
>>
>> --- Sent from my Braille-Note
>>
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