[Blindtlk] a great article

Thu Sep 1 23:07:29 UTC 2011

hi,

no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article

>I see, my mistake.
>
> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.  You 
> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>
> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing its 
> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics or 
> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration you're 
> due.
>
> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>
> Joseph - KF7QZC
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>hi,
>>
>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>
>>Bryan Schulz
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>>
>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and benefit 
>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>
>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not in 
>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make 
>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by the 
>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I were 
>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any 
>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>>>
>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed regarding 
>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the relevant 
>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I don't 
>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a 
>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill 
>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but society 
>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>
>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys 
>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on my 
>>>own tangent.
>>>
>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>hi,
>>>>
>>>>there should be at least one more.
>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something 
>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" 
>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list" 
>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed to 
>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as you 
>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the 
>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's 
>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership," giving 
>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any organization, 
>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to the 
>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and is 
>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses to 
>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any 
>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down your 
>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn 
>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>>
>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its 
>>>>>purpose,
>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a lack 
>>>>>of
>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit what
>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities that 
>>>>>can
>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to explore 
>>>>>the
>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to 
>>>>>assist
>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose skills
>>>>>complement yours.
>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In turn
>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been 
>>>>>looking
>>>>>for.
>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you 
>>>>>observe
>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>>>>>organization.
>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and objectives. 
>>>>>Seek
>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and abilities 
>>>>>in
>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a 
>>>>>president
>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn 
>>>>>about
>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships, awards, 
>>>>>and
>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with others
>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation, 
>>>>>hobbies,
>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our 
>>>>>organization.
>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference calls 
>>>>>with
>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group calls.
>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web site 
>>>>>that
>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>>>>>the same.
>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization that 
>>>>>is
>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>
>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real 
>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If 
>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can 
>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President 
>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>
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