[Blindtlk] a great article
Bryan Schulz
b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
Fri Sep 2 13:14:31 UTC 2011
hi,
one little comment of reality and it explodes.
i'll be glad to lighten my inbox a bit.
later.
Bryan Schulz
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> Correct Diane:
>
> I feel the article was wonderful, and as stated can be used towards any
> organization. I am also a Lion here on Long Island, and I belong to ASTA
> which is for Travel Professionals, this article can work with them as
> well.
>
> Thanks for posting it Chris
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graves, Diane" <dgraves at icrc.IN.gov>
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> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 8:27 AM
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>> No, no, no,. No one is directing their comments at the one who sent this
>> article. The words are being directed to the member of this list who
>> insists on bashing the federation and putting us down for everything we
>> do. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is offended by his
>> implications.
>>
>> As for the article itself, I think it had a lot of merit. None of this is
>> directed at Chris at all.
>>
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
>> To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>
>> Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
>> may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
>> isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
>> Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
>> stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
>> you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
>> forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
>> 22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>>
>> On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>> > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >
>> >
>> >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So
>> >> if
>> >> us
>> >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way.
>> >> What
>> >> was
>> >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was
>> >> any
>> >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>> >> "tough"
>> >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>> >>
>> >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave
>> >> any
>> >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>> >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres,
>> >> we
>> >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what
>> >> you
>> >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going
>> >> to
>> >> change our minds about what we think.
>> >>
>> >> Marsha
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>> >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>> >>
>> >> Bryan Schulz
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I see, my mistake.
>> >>>
>> >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.
>> >>> You
>> >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>> >>>
>> >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>> >>> accusing
>> >>> its
>> >>
>> >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics
>> >>> or
>> >>> evidence. But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
>> >>> you're
>> >>
>> >>> due.
>> >>>
>> >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >>>>hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Bryan Schulz
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>> >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>> >>>>>benefit
>> >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not
>> >>>>>in
>> >>>>>this fashion. The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>> >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>NFB. It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I
>> >>>>>were
>> >>>>>not a Federationist! Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>> >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>> >>>>>regarding
>> >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>> >>>>>relevant
>> >>>>>details. If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
>> >>>>>don't
>> >>
>> >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today. It's like discussing a
>> >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>> >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>> >>>>>society
>> >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it. Usually when the good guys
>> >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late. But that takes me off on
>> >>>>>my
>> >>>>>own tangent.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>> >>>>>>hi,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>> >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>> >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>> >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>> >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>> >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum. The Monitor, as
>> >>>>>>>you
>> >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication and the Forum is the
>> >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication. I found a great article in July's
>> >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
>> >>>>>>>giving
>> >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>> >>>>>>>organization,
>> >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer. I think this could also apply to
>> >>>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>some good advice. To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>some parts of the article. I have pasted the article below. Any
>> >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down
>> >>>>>>>your
>> >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
>> >>>>>>>about both. Here is the article.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>> >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>> >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>> >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of
>> >>>>>>>its
>> >>>>>>>purpose,
>> >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices. This can very well result in a
>> >>>>>>>lack
>> >>>>>>>of
>> >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
>> >>>>>>>what
>> >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build
>> >>>>>>>great
>> >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities
>> >>>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>>can
>> >>>>>>>make an enormous difference. In an effort to encourage you to
>> >>>>>>>explore
>> >>>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>assist
>> >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose
>> >>>>>>>skills
>> >>>>>>>complement yours.
>> >>>>>>>1. Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>> >>>>>>>2. Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>> >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others. In
>> >>>>>>>turn
>> >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
>> >>>>>>>looking
>> >>>>>>>for.
>> >>>>>>>3. Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
>> >>>>>>>4. Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>> >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
>> >>>>>>>observe
>> >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
>> >>>>>>>organization.
>> >>>>>>>5. Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>> >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>> >>>>>>>6. Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
>> >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>> >>>>>>>7. Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
>> >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>> >>>>>>>objectives.
>> >>>>>>>Seek
>> >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>> >>>>>>>abilities
>> >>>>>>>in
>> >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>> >>>>>>>8. If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>> >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization. Ask a
>> >>>>>>>president
>> >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>> >>>>>>>9. Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
>> >>>>>>>organization on all levels. This is one of the best ways to learn
>> >>>>>>>about
>> >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>> >>>>>>>awards,
>> >>>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>> >>>>>>>10. Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>> >>>>>>>needs. These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
>> >>>>>>>others
>> >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current
>> >>>>>>>occupation,
>> >>>>>>>hobbies,
>> >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>> >>>>>>>11. Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
>> >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>> >>>>>>>organization.
>> >>>>>>>12. Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>> >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>> >>>>>>>13. Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>> >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference
>> >>>>>>>calls
>> >>>>>>>with
>> >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
>> >>>>>>>calls.
>> >>>>>>>14. Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
>> >>>>>>>our national organization. You may locate information on the web
>> >>>>>>>site
>> >>>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>> >>>>>>>15. Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
>> >>>>>>>the same.
>> >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
>> >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization
>> >>>>>>>that
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>continuing to grow. Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
>> >>>>>>>real
>> >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>> >>>>>>>If
>> >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>> >>>>>>>can
>> >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>> >>>>>>>(President
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info
>> >>>>>>>for
>> >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>> >>>>>>>
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