[Blindtlk] a great article

Fri Sep 2 18:39:40 UTC 2011

Sometimes I find it pretty hard to keep my mouth shut. Especially when I am
defending some one or the nfb.

Gloria Whipple
Corresponding Secretary
Inland Empire chapter
nfb of WA

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From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Constance Canode
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:04
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article

I am also offended.  Usually when I see his name, I ignore it because 
I remember other instances where his writing and I would never agree, 
so I just kept my mouth shut and ignored it.

At 07:27 AM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>No, no, no,. No one is directing their comments at the one who sent 
>this article. The words are being directed to the member of this 
>list who insists on bashing the federation and  putting us down for 
>everything we do. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is 
>offended by his implications.
>
>As for the article itself, I think it had a lot of merit. None of 
>this is directed at Chris at all.
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
>To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
>may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
>isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
>Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
>stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
>you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
>forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
>22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>
>On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
> > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >
> >
> >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So
if
> >> us
> >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
> >> was
> >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was
any
> >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
"tough"
> >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
> >>
> >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave
any
> >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
> >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres,
we
> >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
> >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going
to
> >> change our minds about what we think.
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
> >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
> >>
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>
> >>
> >>>I see, my mistake.
> >>>
> >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.
You
> >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
> >>>
> >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
> >>> its
> >>
> >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics
or
> >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
> >>> you're
> >>
> >>> due.
> >>>
> >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
> >>>
> >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>>hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
> >>>>
> >>>>Bryan Schulz
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
> >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
benefit
> >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not
in
> >>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
> >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by
the
> >>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I
were
> >>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
> >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
regarding
> >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
relevant
> >>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
> >>>>>don't
> >>
> >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
> >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
> >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
society
> >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
> >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on
my
> >>>>>own tangent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >>>>>>hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
> >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
> >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
> >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
> >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed
to
> >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as
you
> >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
> >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
> >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
giving
> >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
organization,
> >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to
the
> >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and
is
> >>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses
to
> >>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
> >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down
your
> >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
> >>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
> >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
> >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
> >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
> >>>>>>>purpose,
> >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a
lack
> >>>>>>>of
> >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
> >>>>>>>what
> >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
> >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities
that
> >>>>>>>can
> >>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
explore
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
> >>>>>>>assist
> >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose
skills
> >>>>>>>complement yours.
> >>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
> >>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
> >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In
turn
> >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
> >>>>>>>looking
> >>>>>>>for.
> >>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
> >>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
> >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
> >>>>>>>observe
> >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
> >>>>>>>organization.
> >>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
> >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
> >>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
> >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
> >>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
> >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
objectives.
> >>>>>>>Seek
> >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
abilities
> >>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
> >>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
> >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
> >>>>>>>president
> >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
> >>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
> >>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
> >>>>>>>about
> >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
awards,
> >>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
> >>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
> >>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
> >>>>>>>others
> >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
> >>>>>>>hobbies,
> >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
> >>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
> >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
> >>>>>>>organization.
> >>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
> >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
> >>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
> >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference
calls
> >>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
calls.
> >>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
> >>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web
site
> >>>>>>>that
> >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
> >>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
> >>>>>>>the same.
> >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
> >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization
that
> >>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
real
> >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
If
> >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
can
> >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
> >>>>>>>(President
> >>
> >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info
for
> >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
> >>>>>>>
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