[Blindtlk] a great article

Sat Sep 3 13:58:32 UTC 2011

Me too, Gloria.  I was just trying to be a good person on this list...smile.
At 01:39 PM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>Sometimes I find it pretty hard to keep my mouth shut. Especially when I am
>defending some one or the nfb.
>
>
>Gloria Whipple
>Corresponding Secretary
>Inland Empire chapter
>nfb of WA
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Constance Canode
>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:04
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>I am also offended.  Usually when I see his name, I ignore it because
>I remember other instances where his writing and I would never agree,
>so I just kept my mouth shut and ignored it.
>
>At 07:27 AM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
> >No, no, no,. No one is directing their comments at the one who sent
> >this article. The words are being directed to the member of this
> >list who insists on bashing the federation and  putting us down for
> >everything we do. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is
> >offended by his implications.
> >
> >As for the article itself, I think it had a lot of merit. None of
> >this is directed at Chris at all.
> >
> >
> >
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
> >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
> >To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> >
> >Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While this
> >may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
> >isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
> >Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
> >stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
> >you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would rather
> >forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
> >22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
> >
> >On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
> > > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> > > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> > >
> > >
> > >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So
>if
> > >> us
> > >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way. What
> > >> was
> > >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was
>any
> > >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>"tough"
> > >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
> > >>
> > >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave
>any
> > >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
> > >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres,
>we
> > >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what you
> > >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not going
>to
> > >> change our minds about what we think.
> > >>
> > >> Marsha
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
> > >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
> > >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> > >>
> > >> hi,
> > >>
> > >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
> > >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
> > >>
> > >> Bryan Schulz
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I see, my mistake.
> > >>>
> > >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.
>You
> > >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
> > >>>
> > >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start accusing
> > >>> its
> > >>
> > >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics
>or
> > >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
> > >>> you're
> > >>
> > >>> due.
> > >>>
> > >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
> > >>>
> > >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> > >>>>hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Bryan Schulz
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
> > >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> > >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>benefit
> > >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least not
>in
> > >>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
> > >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior by
>the
> > >>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I
>were
> > >>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
> > >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>regarding
> > >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>relevant
> > >>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers, I
> > >>>>>don't
> > >>
> > >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like discussing a
> > >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
> > >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>society
> > >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good guys
> > >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me off on
>my
> > >>>>>own tangent.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> > >>>>>>hi,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
> > >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
> > >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
> > >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
> > >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
> > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
> > >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have subscribed
>to
> > >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor, as
>you
> > >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is the
> > >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in July's
> > >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
>giving
> > >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>organization,
> > >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply to
>the
> > >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division, and
>is
> > >>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in parentheses
>to
> > >>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.  Any
> > >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB down
>your
> > >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to learn
> > >>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
> > >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
> > >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
> > >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details of its
> > >>>>>>>purpose,
> > >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result in a
>lack
> > >>>>>>>of
> > >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to forfeit
> > >>>>>>>what
> > >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build great
> > >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and abilities
>that
> > >>>>>>>can
> > >>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
>explore
> > >>>>>>>the
> > >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed below to
> > >>>>>>>assist
> > >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others whose
>skills
> > >>>>>>>complement yours.
> > >>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
> > >>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
> > >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.  In
>turn
> > >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have been
> > >>>>>>>looking
> > >>>>>>>for.
> > >>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get involved.
> > >>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
> > >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members you
> > >>>>>>>observe
> > >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with our
> > >>>>>>>organization.
> > >>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
> > >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
> > >>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state affiliate
> > >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
> > >>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to serve
> > >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>objectives.
> > >>>>>>>Seek
> > >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>abilities
> > >>>>>>>in
> > >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
> > >>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
> > >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.  Ask a
> > >>>>>>>president
> > >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
> > >>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by our
> > >>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to learn
> > >>>>>>>about
> > >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>awards,
> > >>>>>>>and
> > >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
> > >>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
> > >>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network with
> > >>>>>>>others
> > >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current occupation,
> > >>>>>>>hobbies,
> > >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
> > >>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to learn
> > >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
> > >>>>>>>organization.
> > >>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
> > >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
> > >>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
> > >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours conference
>calls
> > >>>>>>>with
> > >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
>calls.
> > >>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate and
> > >>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the web
>site
> > >>>>>>>that
> > >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
> > >>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to do
> > >>>>>>>the same.
> > >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more you
> > >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal organization
>that
> > >>>>>>>is
> > >>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>real
> > >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
>If
> > >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
>can
> > >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
> > >>>>>>>(President
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info
>for
> > >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> > >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
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