[Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
Ray Foret Jr
rforetjr at att.net
Sat Sep 3 23:17:46 UTC 2011
But, Peter, I ask you. Would you be forever in a war camp mode? Just think of the resolution concerning Google and the ones concerning Apple. Why the disparity? A fair question I think.
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On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> Hello Ray and everyone,
>
> The wording was fine. It's the "Let's be grateful" attitude that makes folks
> feel otherwise.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>
>
> Not with me Peter. We need to strongly encourage people, not bitch at them.
> We need to change the wording of the resolution so that it has the desired
> effect without being bitchy about it. There are times we need to use a
> hammer, and other times, a feather will do just as well. So, we commend
> Google for trying to be accessible but bitch at Apple even though they are
> more accessible than Google? Tell me, is it because Google paid us money,
> (being a sponsor of our convention) and Apple didn't? What kind of outfit
> are we when we stoop to that level?
>
> Sorry for the language, but, that's the way it is.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>
>> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>>
>> The wording was fine with me.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>
>>
>> The issue was the wording of the Resolution, if I remember correctly, that
>> it was to harsh, and for it to pass that we all had to agree on the
>> wording.
>>
>> it has nothing to do with the Resolution as a whole, but the wording of
>> the
>> resolution couldn't be passed, it can be brought to the floor of
>> convention
>> next year, to be voted on again
>>
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
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>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:58 PM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>
>>
>>> Well maybe people on this list that voted against it elaborate as to why
>>> they voted against it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>
>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>> 631-456-5394
>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located in
>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>>
>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [Bulk] Re: a great article
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ah yes, I have a recording of the stream of that particular days'
>>>> events. I must say, that was quite an episode.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> Facebook:
>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An example of not all of us following like zombies, at the national
>>>>> convention. A resolution about apple. Don't quite remember the
>>>>> wordage, but
>>>>> it did not pass. More than half of the floor voted against it. If you
>>>>> were
>>>>> at the convention you would know what I am talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was one of the many who voted against the resolution. I didn't think
>>>>> it
>>>>> was fair, and not something the NFB needed to make an resolution for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Others are welcome to chime in here...
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:19 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>
>>>>> hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> no point in rehashing the lost funds as they have been forgiven in the
>>>>> midwest.
>>>>> i was the only one to push the issue and was blasted for it. it's
>>>>> things
>>>>> like that which make the nfb taste bitter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to see more examples of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where. So
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way.
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there was
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>>>>>> "tough"
>>>>>> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to leave
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>>>>>> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all lyres,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> change our minds about what we think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>>>>> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see, my mistake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it up.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>>>>>>> accusing
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any specifics
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> evidence. But I'm sure doing so will get you all the consideration
>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> due.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>>>>>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>> from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least
>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>> this fashion. The ACB has in the past allowed its members to make
>>>>>>>>> baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal behavior
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>> NFB. It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if I
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> not a Federationist! Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>>>>>> organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with anybody.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>>> the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>> details. If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former officers,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know how useful it would be to debate today. It's like discussing
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for Bill
>>>>>>>>> Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>>>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>>>> as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes the bad guys get away with it. Usually when the good
>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>> don't stand up to them until its too late. But that takes me off
>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>> own tangent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there should be at least one more.
>>>>>>>>>> #16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does something
>>>>>>>>>> questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>>>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have
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>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> know, is the Federation (NFB's) publication and the Forum is
>>>>>>>>>>> the
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>>>>>>>>>>> July's
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr.
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>>>>>>> exists. If
>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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