[Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple

Sun Sep 4 21:01:52 UTC 2011

Hi everyone,

Ray, I completely agree with you! Come on, guys, think about it! We
are a minority, which means that we don't have a lot of people
speaking for us. This means that we have to speak for ourselves, and
this is what the NFB is here for. So, we urged Apple to make their
products accessible, they created VoiceOver, they worked with us, many
of us use their technology... for what? Only for the NFB, the
organization Apple has worked *with*, not against, to make their
products accessible to condemn them for not making everything
accessible? I think we need to continue a positive relationship with
Apple and other companies with whom we work to make products and
technology accessible, and strongly encourage those companies who
don't work with us to work with us and make their products accessible.
And if they ignore our requests to make their products accessible, or
if they show outright hostility tward us, then is when we fight for
our rights. While Apple isn't perfect, it has done many things to make
their products accessible; things they probably wouldn't have thought
of had we not approached them. I fear that if we start bighting the
hand that feeds us, they're going to say, frankly, "Screw you and the
rest of your blind friends" next time we ask them to do something for
us. I hope this makes sense!

Chris

On 9/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> Say,  How do you know for sure that the people at Apple are now unwilling to
> work with us?  I fear we are really going down the wrong road now.  My hope
> is that this situation is not irreparable.  What I intend to do with this is
> write and open letter to Dr. Maurer about this and include many of the
> points we discussed here.  Look, it seems to me that we can choose the more
> hostile relationship; in which case we stand a chance of loosing what
> accessibility to Apple we already have; or, we can choose to try to repair
> what we can and build a positive relationship and get working together on
> this.  IF we let Anger be the driving force behind what we do, we will
> destroy all the good work we've done so far.  I see us changing; and,
> frankly, I do not like it.  It seems to me that we're running the risk of
> loosing something very valuable as an organization.  I'm afraid that if we
> keep this up, we'll have happen to us what Dr. Jernigan warned us about in
> his banquet speech in 1997.
>
> What are we becoming when we let this happen to us?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:00 AM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>
>> I can tell you that people in Apple's accessibility department have
>> reacted negatively enough to BOTH of the resolutions that they are not the
>> least bit inclined to work with us in the future.
>>
>> I believe the exact words, at least those I'm willing to quote here on the
>> mailing list, were that the NFB can go to hell.  I won't say where this
>> individual said we could stick our resolutions.
>>
>> Corporate policy remains 100% accessibility, but we have alienated Apple
>> who is trying to do the right thing while we suck up to Google for their
>> continued bad behavior.
>>
>> The resolutions were both seen at Apple, and they've already had an impact
>> on Apple's willingness to work with us to further improve accessibility.
>> Just … not the impact anyone but Freedom Scientific was hoping for.
>>
>> But Apple is evil, so it doesn't matter.  And Google is awesome, so who
>> cares if they do anything accessibly?  Right?  Right?
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 06:17:46PM -0500, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> But, Peter, I ask you.  Would you be forever in a war camp mode?  Just
>>> think of the resolution concerning Google and the ones concerning Apple.
>>> Why the disparity?  A fair question I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Ray and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> The wording was fine. It's the "Let's be grateful" attitude that makes
>>>> folks
>>>> feel otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not with me Peter.  We need to strongly encourage people, not bitch at
>>>> them.
>>>> We need to change the wording of the resolution so that it has the
>>>> desired
>>>> effect without being bitchy about it.  There are times we need to use a
>>>> hammer, and other times, a feather will do just as well.  So, we commend
>>>> Google for trying to be accessible but bitch at Apple even though they
>>>> are
>>>> more accessible than Google?  Tell me, is it because Google paid us
>>>> money,
>>>> (being a sponsor of our convention) and Apple didn't?  What kind of
>>>> outfit
>>>> are we when we stoop to that level?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the language, but, that's the way it is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> Facebook:
>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>  The wording was fine with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue was the wording of the Resolution, if I remember correctly,
>>>>> that
>>>>> it was to harsh, and for it to pass that we all had to agree on the
>>>>> wording.
>>>>>
>>>>> it has nothing to do with the Resolution as a whole, but the wording of
>>>>> the
>>>>> resolution couldn't be passed, it can be brought to the floor of
>>>>> convention
>>>>> next year, to be voted on again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located
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>>>>>
>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well maybe people on this list that voted against it elaborate as to
>>>>>> why
>>>>>> they voted against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [Bulk] Re: a great article
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah yes, I have a recording of the stream of that particular days'
>>>>>>> events. I must say, that was quite an episode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An example of not all of us following like zombies, at the national
>>>>>>>> convention. A resolution about apple. Don't quite remember the
>>>>>>>> wordage, but
>>>>>>>> it did not pass. More than half of the floor voted against it. If
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> at the convention you would know what I am talking about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was one of the many who voted against the resolution. I didn't
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> was fair, and not something the NFB needed to make an resolution
>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Others are welcome to chime in here...
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:19 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no point in rehashing the lost funds as they have been forgiven in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> midwest.
>>>>>>>> i was the only one to push the issue and was blasted for it. it's
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> like that which make the nfb taste bitter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to see more examples of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where.
>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way.
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>>>>>>>>> "tough"
>>>>>>>>> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to
>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to being
>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all
>>>>>>>>> lyres,
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think what
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not
>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>> change our minds about what we think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>>>>>>>> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see, my mistake.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it
>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>>>>>>>>>> accusing
>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any
>>>>>>>>>> specifics
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the
>>>>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> due.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>>>>>>>>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>> from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least
>>>>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>>>>> this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even if
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>>>>>>>>> organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with
>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>> details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former
>>>>>>>>>>>> officers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good
>>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me
>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>>>>> own tangent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there should be at least one more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB Membership,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest division,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentheses to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forfeit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abilities that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complement yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affiliate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for up-to-date
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hobbies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our national organization.  You may locate information on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (President
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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