[Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple

chris nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Sun Sep 4 22:31:30 UTC 2011 

Thank you, Michael!

Chris

On 9/4/11, Michael <bonsai1b at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Chris:
> You speak beyond your years.  You couldn't have stated my thoughts more
> clearly.
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Ray, I completely agree with you! Come on, guys, think about it! We
> are a minority, which means that we don't have a lot of people
> speaking for us. This means that we have to speak for ourselves, and
> this is what the NFB is here for. So, we urged Apple to make their
> products accessible, they created VoiceOver, they worked with us, many
> of us use their technology... for what? Only for the NFB, the
> organization Apple has worked *with*, not against, to make their
> products accessible to condemn them for not making everything
> accessible? I think we need to continue a positive relationship with
> Apple and other companies with whom we work to make products and
> technology accessible, and strongly encourage those companies who
> don't work with us to work with us and make their products accessible.
> And if they ignore our requests to make their products accessible, or
> if they show outright hostility tward us, then is when we fight for
> our rights. While Apple isn't perfect, it has done many things to make
> their products accessible; things they probably wouldn't have thought
> of had we not approached them. I fear that if we start bighting the
> hand that feeds us, they're going to say, frankly, "Screw you and the
> rest of your blind friends" next time we ask them to do something for
> us. I hope this makes sense!
>
> Chris
>
> On 9/4/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>> Say,  How do you know for sure that the people at Apple are now unwilling
>> to
>> work with us?  I fear we are really going down the wrong road now.  My
>> hope
>> is that this situation is not irreparable.  What I intend to do with this
>> is
>> write and open letter to Dr. Maurer about this and include many of the
>> points we discussed here.  Look, it seems to me that we can choose the
>> more
>> hostile relationship; in which case we stand a chance of loosing what
>> accessibility to Apple we already have; or, we can choose to try to repair
>> what we can and build a positive relationship and get working together on
>> this.  IF we let Anger be the driving force behind what we do, we will
>> destroy all the good work we've done so far.  I see us changing; and,
>> frankly, I do not like it.  It seems to me that we're running the risk of
>> loosing something very valuable as an organization.  I'm afraid that if we
>> keep this up, we'll have happen to us what Dr. Jernigan warned us about in
>> his banquet speech in 1997.
>>
>> What are we becoming when we let this happen to us?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:00 AM, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you that people in Apple's accessibility department have
>>> reacted negatively enough to BOTH of the resolutions that they are not
>>> the
>>> least bit inclined to work with us in the future.
>>>
>>> I believe the exact words, at least those I'm willing to quote here on
>>> the
>>> mailing list, were that the NFB can go to hell.  I won't say where this
>>> individual said we could stick our resolutions.
>>>
>>> Corporate policy remains 100% accessibility, but we have alienated Apple
>>> who is trying to do the right thing while we suck up to Google for their
>>> continued bad behavior.
>>>
>>> The resolutions were both seen at Apple, and they've already had an
>>> impact
>>> on Apple's willingness to work with us to further improve accessibility.
>>> Just … not the impact anyone but Freedom Scientific was hoping for.
>>>
>>> But Apple is evil, so it doesn't matter.  And Google is awesome, so who
>>> cares if they do anything accessibly?  Right?  Right?
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 06:17:46PM -0500, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>> But, Peter, I ask you.  Would you be forever in a war camp mode?  Just
>>>> think of the resolution concerning Google and the ones concerning Apple.
>>>> Why the disparity?  A fair question I think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> Facebook:
>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ray and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> The wording was fine. It's the "Let's be grateful" attitude that makes
>>>>> folks
>>>>> feel otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 3:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not with me Peter.  We need to strongly encourage people, not bitch at
>>>>> them.
>>>>> We need to change the wording of the resolution so that it has the
>>>>> desired
>>>>> effect without being bitchy about it.  There are times we need to use a
>>>>> hammer, and other times, a feather will do just as well.  So, we
>>>>> commend
>>>>> Google for trying to be accessible but bitch at Apple even though they
>>>>> are
>>>>> more accessible than Google?  Tell me, is it because Google paid us
>>>>> money,
>>>>> (being a sponsor of our convention) and Apple didn't?  What kind of
>>>>> outfit
>>>>> are we when we stoop to that level?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the language, but, that's the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>
>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Cheryl and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The wording was fine with me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:25 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue was the wording of the Resolution, if I remember correctly,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it was to harsh, and for it to pass that we all had to agree on the
>>>>>> wording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it has nothing to do with the Resolution as a whole, but the wording
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> resolution couldn't be passed, it can be brought to the floor of
>>>>>> convention
>>>>>> next year, to be voted on again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
>>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:58 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Resolution that didn't pass about apple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well maybe people on this list that voted against it elaborate as to
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> they voted against it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>>> http://www.echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>>> 631-456-5394
>>>>>>> reservations at echevarriatravel.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Superior Travel, located
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Baldwin, NY. www.superiortravel.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise &
>>>>>>> Travel,
>>>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [Bulk] Re: a great article
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah yes, I have a recording of the stream of that particular days'
>>>>>>>> events. I must say, that was quite an episode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skype name:
>>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An example of not all of us following like zombies, at the national
>>>>>>>>> convention. A resolution about apple. Don't quite remember the
>>>>>>>>> wordage, but
>>>>>>>>> it did not pass. More than half of the floor voted against it. If
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> at the convention you would know what I am talking about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was one of the many who voted against the resolution. I didn't
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> was fair, and not something the NFB needed to make an resolution
>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Others are welcome to chime in here...
>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:19 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no point in rehashing the lost funds as they have been forgiven in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> midwest.
>>>>>>>>> i was the only one to push the issue and was blasted for it. it's
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> like that which make the nfb taste bitter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to see more examples of that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no where.
>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other way.
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>>>>>>>>>> "tough"
>>>>>>>>>> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to
>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all
>>>>>>>>>> lyres,
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> change our minds about what we think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>>>>>>>>> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick skin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see, my mistake.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it
>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>>>>>>>>>>> accusing
>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any
>>>>>>>>>>> specifics
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the
>>>>>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> due.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> society
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own tangent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there should be at least one more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Membership,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parentheses to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation and could ultimately result in a decision to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forfeit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationships and effectively share personal skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abilities that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you in being all you can be and help you join with others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complement yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone may realize that this is the organization they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively participating in events and projects associated with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affiliate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up-to-date
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news and announcements from all levels of our organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming projects and events.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sharing common interests, such as your prior or current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hobbies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health concerns and so much more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our national organization.  You may locate information on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more you know and the more you become involved, the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exists. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (President
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
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-- 
Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"

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