[Blindtlk] NFB Is Anti Guide Dog?

Marion Gwizdala blind411 at verizon.net
Mon Sep 5 23:25:16 UTC 2011 

Chris,
    You could always send me his reply off-list! My NAGDU emial address is

President at NAGDU.ORG

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] NFB Is Anti Guide Dog?


Hi Marion,

Thank you for giving us the facts! That's very refreshing to hear!
Now, being the pot-stirrer that I am, I'm tempted to forward this to
my ACB-member friend, and ask him to read this entire conversation!
Then, I would send you his reply via the list. But I'm not going to do
that, as I think the result would be a negative one. Smile!

Chris

On 9/4/11, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Dear All,
>     I think it is important for us to have credible facts to contradict 
> the
> rhetoric of those who would promulgate lies about the NFB in an effort to
> shore up their own points of view. I frequently hear the argument from 
> those
> who don't really know what I do with the NFB that the Federation is anti
> guide dog. I advise them that I am the president of the National 
> Association
> of Guide dog Users, a strong and proud division of the National federation
> of the Blind - a tag I especially like to use when discussing this issue,I
> then question them why the NFB would have such a division if they were 
> anti
> guide dog. I also tell them that NAGDU is one of the fastest growing
> divisions in the NFB and is now recognized as the leader in service animal
> policy and advocacy in the United States.
>     Here are some of the facts to support this claim. The National
> Association of Guide dog Users operates the NAGDU Information & Advocacy
> Hotline, a project that was seeded by a grant from the Imagination Fund. I
> ask them if they are aware that the reason miniature horses were left in 
> the
> definition of a service animal by the DOJ as it published its new
> regulations was because the Board of Directors of the National Association
> of Guide dog Users made a public comment urging the DOJ to leave them in
> until the issue could be studied more since there were several individuals
> successfully using miniature horses as guides. (NAGDU was the only comment
> that made this appeal and these comments are a part of the public record.)
> NAGDU has been sought out by the Florida Agency for Health Care
> Administration, the Illinois Attorney General's Office, the California 
> Board
> of Guide Dog Schools, several major hospitals, including Johns Hopkins in
> Baltimore, St. Anthony's in St. Petersburg, and the Transportation 
> Security
> Administration for our expertise on issues related to guide dogs. This is
> only a small sampling of the work we have done in our twenty-five years.
>     If the NFB is so anti guide dog, why is this division such a moving
> force? The answer is very clear! We are a moving force on issues of guide
> dogs because we are a strong and proud division of the NFB and the NFB is
> the strongest force in the affairs of the blind. It only makes sense! For
> more information about the National Association of Guide dog Users, a 
> strong
> & proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, please visit our
> website at
>
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>
> Fraternally yours
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I found arguing with ACB leadership (and often with the rank and file as
>> well) about the benefit of the NFB to be a losing prospect.  The favored
>> tactic appears to be the straw man—they claim the NFB position is
>> something indefensible (even though it is not what they claim it is), and
>> then proceed to try and set fire to same for being so impossible.
>>
>> Did you know the NFB hates guide dogs and dog users?
>> Did you know the NFB opposes descriptive audio?
>> Did you know the NFB opposes folding or collapsible canes?
>> Did you know the NFB demands that you cross streets unsafely?
>> Did you know the NFB doesn't want you to know what your money is?
>>
>> None of the above statements are true.  Unless you're talking to the ACB
>> leadership, of course.  Then, not only are they true, but you cannot
>> question the validity of those accusations, offer a more accurate picture
>> of the facts, or defend the obviously indefensible views we supposedly
>> have!
>>
>> But please, don't take my word for it.  That's just the conclusion I came
>> to after trying to make some peace.  People warned me in both
>> organizations that no peace would be had, and the basic failure of
>> communication in common terms and (IMO) refusal to engage in honest 
>> debate
>>
>> will ensure that the situation does not change in the foreseeable future.
>>
>> You may have success where I did not, but I won't be holding my breath or
>> anything.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 12:58:28PM -0400, chris nusbaum wrote:
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>Yeah... I know! It's so funny to me that the NFB just ignores the ACB
>>>generally, but the ACB uses so much valuable Braille and print to bash
>>>us (there, I said us.) I don't, by any means, promote the ACB on its
>>>bashing of the NFB, and have very adamantly defended the Federation on
>>>ACB lists, debating with people like Bob Acosta and Mitch Pomerantz.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>On 9/3/11, Constance Canode <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Me too, Gloria.  I was just trying to be a good person on this
>>>> list...smile.
>>>> At 01:39 PM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>Sometimes I find it pretty hard to keep my mouth shut. Especially when 
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>am
>>>>>defending some one or the nfb.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gloria Whipple
>>>>>Corresponding Secretary
>>>>>Inland Empire chapter
>>>>>nfb of WA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>On
>>>>>Behalf Of Constance Canode
>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:04
>>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>>
>>>>>I am also offended.  Usually when I see his name, I ignore it because
>>>>>I remember other instances where his writing and I would never agree,
>>>>>so I just kept my mouth shut and ignored it.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 07:27 AM 9/2/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> >No, no, no,. No one is directing their comments at the one who sent
>>>>> >this article. The words are being directed to the member of this
>>>>> >list who insists on bashing the federation and  putting us down for
>>>>> >everything we do. I am glad to see that I am not the only one who is
>>>>> >offended by his implications.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >As for the article itself, I think it had a lot of merit. None of
>>>>> >this is directed at Chris at all.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Diane Graves
>>>>> >Civil Rights Specialist
>>>>> >Indiana Civil Rights Commission
>>>>> >Alternative Dispute Resolutions Unit
>>>>> >317-232-2647
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"It is service that measures success."
>>>>> >George Washington Carver
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> >[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>>>>> >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:25 PM
>>>>> >To: Jeanette Fortin; Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Whoa guys, take a step back and look at what you're saying. While 
>>>>> >this
>>>>> >may not be the place to discuss the ACB and its policies (I agree, it
>>>>> >isn't) take into account this person's age. He's just a kid.
>>>>> >Questioning is a normal and natural part of adolescent growth, and to
>>>>> >stifle that is to stifle your own upbringing. Maybe that's what makes
>>>>> >you all most comfortable...There are plenty of adults who would 
>>>>> >rather
>>>>> >forget the discomfort of their formative years. But as a nearly
>>>>> >22-year-old myself I feel I must speak in Chris's defense.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On 9/1/11, Jeanette Fortin <jeanette at fortin-home.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > you go girl, my thoughts exactly, jeanette
>>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > > From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> This thread is very tiring, very frustrating and gets us no 
>>>>> > >> where.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> So
>>>>>if
>>>>> > >> us
>>>>> > >> NFB members never ask the tough questions, and look the other 
>>>>> > >> way.
>>>>> > >> What
>>>>> > >> was
>>>>> > >> the illegal behavior your speaking of? I am pretty sure if there
>>>>> > >> was
>>>>>any
>>>>> > >> illegal behavior, we just as much any other person would ask the
>>>>>"tough"
>>>>> > >> questions. Not all of us just follow in line like zombies.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> If your so anti-NFB, why do you hang out here. Your welcome to
>>>>> > >> leave
>>>>>any
>>>>> > >> time. We would rather you go away. So our list can go back to
>>>>> > >> being
>>>>> > >> constructive and productive. Oh wait that is right, we are all
>>>>> > >> lyres,
>>>>>we
>>>>> > >> allow illegal behavior, and follow like zombies. You can think
>>>>> > >> what
>>>>> > >> you
>>>>> > >> want. But this skirting around subjects does nothing. We are not
>>>>> > >> going
>>>>>to
>>>>> > >> change our minds about what we think.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Marsha
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > >> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> > >> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>On
>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
>>>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:07 PM
>>>>> > >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> hi,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> no, i'm not accusing anyone, the event already happened.
>>>>> > >> the point is don't ask tough questions unless you have thick 
>>>>> > >> skin.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Bryan Schulz
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:49 PM
>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>>I see, my mistake.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> You aren't taking pot shots at the ACB without facts to back it
>>>>> > >>> up.
>>>>>You
>>>>> > >>> are taking pot shots at the NFB without facts.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> It takes a lot of guts to come into an organization and start
>>>>> > >>> accusing
>>>>> > >>> its
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> members of vaguely illegal activities without offering any
>>>>> > >>> specifics
>>>>>or
>>>>> > >>> evidence.  But I'm sure doing so will get you all the
>>>>> > >>> consideration
>>>>> > >>> you're
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>> due.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> And with that, I think I'm about finished with the discussion.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 05:36:54PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>hi,
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>no, i'm not talking about the acb but the point still applies.
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter"
>>>>> > >>>><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>> > >>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:09 PM
>>>>> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>I suggest if that helps you maximize your involvement with and
>>>>>benefit
>>>>> > >>>>>from an organization, you find another organization.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>Perhaps though, we don't want to go down this road, or at least
>>>>> > >>>>>not
>>>>>in
>>>>> > >>>>>this fashion.  The ACB has in the past allowed its members to
>>>>> > >>>>>make
>>>>> > >>>>>baseless, unsupported, and uncontested claims of illegal
>>>>> > >>>>>behavior
>>>>> > >>>>> by
>>>>>the
>>>>> > >>>>>NFB.  It was rather off-putting, and I'd have thought so even 
>>>>> > >>>>>if
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>I
>>>>>were
>>>>> > >>>>>not a Federationist!  Indeed, it seems always to be so, in any
>>>>> > >>>>>organization, whether or not I have any affiliation with
>>>>> > >>>>>anybody.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>If there's something new and recent that needs to be discussed
>>>>>regarding
>>>>> > >>>>>the ACB, we should probably do it, but in a new thread with the
>>>>>relevant
>>>>> > >>>>>details.  If it's a rehash of old wrongdoings by former
>>>>> > >>>>>officers, I
>>>>> > >>>>>don't
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>>>>know how useful it would be to debate today.  It's like
>>>>> > >>>>>discussing
>>>>> > >>>>> a
>>>>> > >>>>>questionable action taken by Janet Reno while she worked for
>>>>> > >>>>>Bill
>>>>> > >>>>>Clinton. Anyone personally affected would find it relevant, but
>>>>>society
>>>>> > >>>>>as a whole wouldn't be interested today.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>Sometimes the bad guys get away with it.  Usually when the good
>>>>> > >>>>> guys
>>>>> > >>>>>don't stand up to them until its too late.  But that takes me
>>>>> > >>>>>off
>>>>> > >>>>> on
>>>>>my
>>>>> > >>>>>own tangent.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>Joseph - KF7QZC
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>hi,
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>there should be at least one more.
>>>>> > >>>>>>#16. Don't ask tough questions even when a member does
>>>>> > >>>>>>something
>>>>> > >>>>>>questionable and probably illegal.
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum"
>>>>> > >>>>>><dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> > >>>>>>To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk list"
>>>>> > >>>>>><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Gary Legates"
>>>>> > >>>>>><gary.legates at comcast.net>
>>>>> > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>> > >>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] a great article
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>As I try to learn more about both organizations, I have
>>>>> > >>>>>>> subscribed
>>>>>to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>both the Braille Monitor and the Braille Forum.  The Monitor,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>as
>>>>>you
>>>>> > >>>>>>>know, is the Federation (NFB's)  publication and the Forum is
>>>>> > >>>>>>>the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Council (or ACB's) publication.  I found a great article in
>>>>> > >>>>>>> July's
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Forum entitled "Fifteen Ways to Maximize your ACB 
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Membership,"
>>>>>giving
>>>>> > >>>>>>>fifteen tips on how to take advantage of all ACB (or any
>>>>>organization,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>for that matter) has to offer.  I think this could also apply
>>>>> > >>>>>>>to
>>>>>the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Federation and to NABS or any other special-interest 
>>>>> > >>>>>>>division,
>>>>> > >>>>>>> and
>>>>>is
>>>>> > >>>>>>>some good advice.  To be accurate, I added "or NFB" in
>>>>> > >>>>>>> parentheses
>>>>>to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>some parts of the article.  I have pasted the article below.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Any
>>>>> > >>>>>>>thoughts on this? I promise I'm not trying to force the ACB
>>>>> > >>>>>>>down
>>>>>your
>>>>> > >>>>>>>throats; in fact, I'm a Federationist in nature, but want to
>>>>> > >>>>>>> learn
>>>>> > >>>>>>>about both.  Here is the article.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>15 WAYS TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ACB (or NFB) MEMBERSHIP
>>>>> > >>>>>>>by Kenneth Semien Sr.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>All too often, people join organizations without taking
>>>>> > >>>>>>>advantage of the opportunity to truly know intricate details
>>>>> > >>>>>>>of
>>>>> > >>>>>>> its
>>>>> > >>>>>>>purpose,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>mission, and operating practices.  This can very well result
>>>>> > >>>>>>>in a
>>>>>lack
>>>>> > >>>>>>>of
>>>>> > >>>>>>>participation and could ultimately result in a decision to
>>>>> > >>>>>>> forfeit
>>>>> > >>>>>>>what
>>>>> > >>>>>>>could have been the ideal vehicle to enhance your life, build
>>>>> > >>>>>>> great
>>>>> > >>>>>>>relationships and effectively share personal skills and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>abilities
>>>>>that
>>>>> > >>>>>>>can
>>>>> > >>>>>>>make an enormous difference.  In an effort to encourage you 
>>>>> > >>>>>>>to
>>>>>explore
>>>>> > >>>>>>>the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>meaningful efforts of ACB, I have included the tips listed
>>>>> > >>>>>>>below
>>>>> > >>>>>>> to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>assist
>>>>> > >>>>>>>you in being all you can be and help you join with others
>>>>> > >>>>>>>whose
>>>>>skills
>>>>> > >>>>>>>complement yours.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>1.  Be inquisitive and don't hesitate to ask questions.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>2.  Become familiar with the history, mission, and purpose by
>>>>> > >>>>>>>reviewing it often enough to be able to repeat it to others.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>In
>>>>>turn
>>>>> > >>>>>>>someone may realize that this is the organization they have
>>>>> > >>>>>>>been
>>>>> > >>>>>>>looking
>>>>> > >>>>>>>for.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>3.  Make a personal commitment to identify ways to get
>>>>> > >>>>>>>involved.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>4.  Find out who the officers are and become acquainted with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>them and their roles and responsibilities, as well as members
>>>>> > >>>>>>>you
>>>>> > >>>>>>>observe
>>>>> > >>>>>>>actively participating in events and projects associated with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>our
>>>>> > >>>>>>>organization.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>5.  Make your skills and abilities known to leaders of your
>>>>> > >>>>>>>chapter, affiliate, or the president of our organization.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>6.  Make every effort to participate in chapter, state
>>>>> > >>>>>>>affiliate
>>>>> > >>>>>>>and national meetings, seminars, conferences and conventions.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>7.  Inquire about available committees you may be able to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>serve
>>>>> > >>>>>>>on to assist the organization in achieving its goals and
>>>>>objectives.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Seek
>>>>> > >>>>>>>to join committees that allow you to utilize your skills and
>>>>>abilities
>>>>> > >>>>>>>in
>>>>> > >>>>>>>the most effective and efficient manner.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>8.  If you have access to the Internet, sign up for 
>>>>> > >>>>>>>up-to-date
>>>>> > >>>>>>>news and announcements from all levels of our organization.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Ask
>>>>> > >>>>>>> a
>>>>> > >>>>>>>president
>>>>> > >>>>>>>or member to tell you how to take advantage of this option.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>9.  Listen to or read publications/newsletters distributed by
>>>>> > >>>>>>>our
>>>>> > >>>>>>>organization on all levels.  This is one of the best ways to
>>>>> > >>>>>>> learn
>>>>> > >>>>>>>about
>>>>> > >>>>>>>useful resources, access inspirational stories, scholarships,
>>>>>awards,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>upcoming projects and events.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>10.  Identify special-interest groups that meet your personal
>>>>> > >>>>>>>needs.  These groups provide you the opportunity to network
>>>>> > >>>>>>>with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>others
>>>>> > >>>>>>>sharing common interests, such as your prior or current
>>>>> > >>>>>>> occupation,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>hobbies,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>health concerns and so much more.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>11.  Obtain your own copy of the constitution and bylaws to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>learn
>>>>> > >>>>>>>of the agreed-upon operating practices and procedures of our
>>>>> > >>>>>>>organization.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>12.  Prepare for future involvement as an officer by becoming
>>>>> > >>>>>>>familiar with officer titles and duties.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>13.  Participate in conference calls to build your knowledge,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>such as membership focus calls, periodic Office Hours
>>>>> > >>>>>>>conference
>>>>>calls
>>>>> > >>>>>>>with
>>>>> > >>>>>>>the ACB president, committee calls, and special-interest 
>>>>> > >>>>>>>group
>>>>>calls.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>14.  Explore the web sites of your chapter, state affiliate
>>>>> > >>>>>>>and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>our national organization.  You may locate information on the
>>>>> > >>>>>>>web
>>>>>site
>>>>> > >>>>>>>that
>>>>> > >>>>>>>you didn't think of inquiring about.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>15.  Pay your annual dues faithfully and encourage others to
>>>>> > >>>>>>>do
>>>>> > >>>>>>>the same.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>The more you know and the more you become involved, the more
>>>>> > >>>>>>>you
>>>>> > >>>>>>>will begin to know that you have joined a phenomenal
>>>>> > >>>>>>>organization
>>>>>that
>>>>> > >>>>>>>is
>>>>> > >>>>>>>continuing to grow.  Have a great ACB (or NFB) adventure!
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>The
>>>>>real
>>>>> > >>>>>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>> > >>>>>>> exists.
>>>>>If
>>>>> > >>>>>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>blindness
>>>>>can
>>>>> > >>>>>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>> > >>>>>>>(President
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info
>>>>>for
>>>>> > >>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>visually
>>>>> > >>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
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>>>Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>>>problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>>>a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>>>be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
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Chris Nusbaum

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan

Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"

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