[Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 18
PATRICK GORMLEY
kk3f at msn.com
Sat Aug 25 03:04:47 UTC 2012
The romeos are single side Braille printers and the Juliets are interpoint
or single sided Braille Printers.Interpoint simply means you can emboss on
both sides of a page of Braille paper which can significantly reduce your
paper costs. Your portable braille printers such as your Braille Blazers
are light duty printers and can't print on 11 by 11-1/2 inch paper which is
the standard size for production work. The Romeos and Juliets are generally
in the $3 to 54 thousand dollar range and you must also buy Duxbury or some
other Braille translator to drive this hardware device. This software
according to the technology resource list costs $595 so this is an
additional cost to consider. Generally speaking rehab won't buy anything
unless it is for work or school. However, all is not lost. With a little
creativity you might be able to procur funding through your lions club. I'm
gong through that process now for updating my technology and Will let you
know what I find out.
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> 1. Re: braille printer questions (Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR))
> 2. Re: braille printer questions (Steve Jacobson)
> 3. Re: braille printer questions (Bryan Schulz)
> 4. Re: braille printer questions (Mike Freeman)
> 5. Re: braille printer questions (Mike Freeman)
> 6. Re: braille printer questions (Steve Jacobson)
> 7. Re: braille printer questions (Bryan Schulz)
> 8. Re: braille printer questions (Steve Jacobson)
> 9. Re: braille printer questions (Nikki)
> 10. Re: braille printer questions (Steve Jacobson)
> 11. Re: braille printer questions (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
> 12. Re: braille printer questions (Nikki)
> 13. Re: braille printer questions (Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR))
> 14. Re: braille printer questions (Nikki)
> 15. Re: braille printer questions (Steve Jacobson)
> 16. Re: braille printer questions (Nikki)
> 17. Re: braille printer questions (Chris Nusbaum)
> 18. Re: braille printer questions (Chris Nusbaum)
> 19. Re: braille printer questions (Chris Nusbaum)
> 20. Re: braille printer questions (Mike Freeman)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:04:19 -0400
> From: "Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)" <Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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> Well, you are on the right list. Probably someone from your state could
> tell you. Contact the NFB affiliate in Illinois, or whatever state you are
> in, and the folks can help.
>
> /s/
>
> Bennett Prows
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
> DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
> you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
> Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
> a
> bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs but
> are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in suspension
> for the moment.
>
> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
> Assistive
> Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled persons. How
> many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's web address
> is
> <http://www.watf.org>.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
> What other organizations will help?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Listers,
>
> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
> pay
> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hello,
>
> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
> handy.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>> to
>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>
>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>> such
>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a Blazer
>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>> get
>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>> it
>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>> younger blind kids.
>>
>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter. Are
>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>> one
>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:48:38 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <auto-000008151399 at mailback3.g2host.com>
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>
> What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
> more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or
> perhaps there are other options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard
> pressed to find someone to buy something of the expense of a
> printer if it is not vocational or educational, but I could be wrong.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
>>DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
>>you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
>>Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
>>a
>>bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs but
>>are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in suspension
>>for the moment.
>
>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>Assistive
>>Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled persons. How
>>many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's web address
>>is
>><http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
>>paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>pay
>>off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>>information you need.
>
>>Chris
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>handy.
>
>>Judy
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>> to
>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>> such
>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a Blazer
>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>> get
>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>> it
>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>> younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>> Are
>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>> one
>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <BC2E979DFB53477DA1866A9E58831C07 at HP8730notebook>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
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>
> hi,
>
> what do you call strapped?
> 25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>> suspension for the moment.
>>
>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's
>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>> What other organizations will help?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Mike and Listers,
>>
>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>> people
>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>> pay
>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>
>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>> information you need.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>> handy.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>> to
>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>> such
>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a Blazer
>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>> get
>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>> it
>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>> younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter. Are
>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>> one
>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:33:26 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <009a01cd8226$f3aa12f0$dafe38d0$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Or get a job! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
> DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
> you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
> Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
> suspension for the moment.
>
> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's
> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
> What other organizations will help?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Listers,
>
> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
> pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hello,
>
> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
> handy.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>> good.
>>
>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>
>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> 0gmail.com
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:34:54 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <009b01cd8227$286c8b30$7945a190$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Steve:
>
> It seems to me you're forgetting that companies have to amortize their
> costs
> and that specialty parts often become *more* expensive over time, not
> less.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:59 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Ben,
>
> You guys know, I hope, that I agree with you that we have to realize that
> the price of some of the devices we use can't simply be
> set based upon what we can afford. There has to be enough profit to allow
> a
> company to provide support and develop their next
> products. However, I would raise a red flag that prices tend to be
> supported by what rehabilitation will pay, and I sometimes
> wonder about products that are sold year after year using the same
> technologies and mostly the same physical parts. While I do
> not believe that the companies who provide our equipment are putting away
> huge profits in Swiss bank accounts, I wonder if the
> support given by governments causes them to pay less attention to
> efficiency
> and the design of cheaper products. It should be
> acknowledged that prices have come down a good deal over the years for
> braille printers, especially if you look at price
> reductions together with the decreasing value of the dollar over time, but
> our small market together with the role of governments
> in purchasing a large percentage of the products produced makes this a
> somewhat artificial model.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:22:41 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>>Amen, bro!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So,
> that's why there are loan programs made available through organizations
> like
> ours and even private assistive technology
> foundations. If we can only get blind people paid fair wages at Goodwill
> and
> other places of employment, we can then pay off
> loans, etc. (grin.)
>>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the
> blind who don't work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you
> ask
> me.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
>>Chris
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't
> have a phone number handy.
>
>>Judy
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
> good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:56:58 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <auto-000008152349 at mailback3.g2host.com>
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>
> Brian,
>
> Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
> us are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
> this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
> One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
> good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
> just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
> that is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
> equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
> purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
> this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
> should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
> other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
> equipment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>what do you call strapped?
>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>> are
>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>
>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>> WATF's
>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>
>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>> to
>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>> people
>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>> pay
>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>> things
>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>
>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>> the
>>> information you need.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>> Juliet
>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:09:56 -0500
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <C82F7041DF7D4556BCD4360F63E67363 at HP8730notebook>
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>
> hi,
>
> spend what you like if you have 25mil in assets.
> i have heard of people that wish jaws had a monthly payment plan.
> there was no mention of buying the printer for her.
> the comment was related to the 3% loan being suspended due to decreased
> assets and that's far cheaper than a deal from a bank.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
> Brian,
>
> Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
> us
> are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
> this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
> One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
> good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
> just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
> that
> is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
> equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
> purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
> this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
> should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
> other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
> equipment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>what do you call strapped?
>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>> are
>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>
>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>> WATF's
>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>
>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>> to
>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>> people
>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>> pay
>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>> things
>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>
>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>> the
>>> information you need.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>> Juliet
>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
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> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:11:30 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <auto-000008152617 at mailback3.g2host.com>
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> Mike,
>
> I thought I was being pretty careful not to say how far the prices should
> go down, and no, I am not forgetting that the cost of
> parts can rise and that R&D costs need to be distributed over time. I
> just don't have the same level of trust in the marketplace
> that you do given some of the artificial factors that come into play when
> dealing with a subsidized small market, that's all. I
> also want to be careful to say clearly that I know of nothing that
> Enabling Technology is doing wrong, only that I don't think we
> are wrong to question pricing. This kind of equipment will always be more
> expensive than some of us can afford, and that doesn't
> mean that anybody is doing anything wrong. I also don't think that it is
> wrong for agencies that are spending tax money on
> equipment to expect that such equipment might contribute toward us paying
> more taxes.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:34:54 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>>Steve:
>
>>It seems to me you're forgetting that companies have to amortize their
>>costs
>>and that specialty parts often become *more* expensive over time, not
>>less.
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 8:59 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Ben,
>
>>You guys know, I hope, that I agree with you that we have to realize that
>>the price of some of the devices we use can't simply be
>>set based upon what we can afford. There has to be enough profit to allow
>>a
>>company to provide support and develop their next
>>products. However, I would raise a red flag that prices tend to be
>>supported by what rehabilitation will pay, and I sometimes
>>wonder about products that are sold year after year using the same
>>technologies and mostly the same physical parts. While I do
>>not believe that the companies who provide our equipment are putting away
>>huge profits in Swiss bank accounts, I wonder if the
>>support given by governments causes them to pay less attention to
>>efficiency
>>and the design of cheaper products. It should be
>>acknowledged that prices have come down a good deal over the years for
>>braille printers, especially if you look at price
>>reductions together with the decreasing value of the dollar over time, but
>>our small market together with the role of governments
>>in purchasing a large percentage of the products produced makes this a
>>somewhat artificial model.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:22:41 -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>
>>>Amen, bro!
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:07 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So,
>>that's why there are loan programs made available through organizations
>>like
>>ours and even private assistive technology
>>foundations. If we can only get blind people paid fair wages at Goodwill
>>and
>>other places of employment, we can then pay off
>>loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the
>>blind who don't work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you
>>ask
>>me.
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>>information you need.
>
>>>Chris
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hello,
>
>>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't
>>have a phone number handy.
>
>>>Judy
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>>good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>>>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>>>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>>>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>>>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>>>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>>>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:18:54 -0500
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <D391C7F74D0A4FBE8188181A508C7C1E at NicolePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> If you must know, I want to braille copies of a church hymnal for
> friends who are wanting one, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get
> a
> company and the international organization to do business. This way I can
> just do the brailling at no charge. Later on, I may start charging for
> whatever I transcribe.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:48 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
> more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or
> perhaps there are other options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard
> pressed to find someone to buy something of the expense of a
> printer if it is not vocational or educational, but I could be wrong.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
>>DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
>>you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
>>Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
>>a
>>bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs but
>>are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in suspension
>>for the moment.
>
>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>Assistive
>>Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled persons. How
>>many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's web address
>>is
>><http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
>>paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>pay
>>off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>>information you need.
>
>>Chris
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>handy.
>
>>Judy
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>> to
>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>> such
>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a Blazer
>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>> get
>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>> it
>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>> younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>> Are
>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>> one
>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:20:29 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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> Brian,
>
> Window-Eyes has a lease-to-own plan, but when I wasn't working, it would
> have been a real challenge to even make those payments.
> One still has to look at both income and expenses regardless of the level
> of assets, and one has to look at the complications of a
> loan program besides. I just think you are making it sound too simple.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:09:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>spend what you like if you have 25mil in assets.
>>i have heard of people that wish jaws had a monthly payment plan.
>>there was no mention of buying the printer for her.
>>the comment was related to the 3% loan being suspended due to decreased
>>assets and that's far cheaper than a deal from a bank.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>Brian,
>
>>Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
>>us
>>are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
>>this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
>>One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
>>good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
>>just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
>>that
>>is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
>>equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
>>purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
>>this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
>>should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
>>other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
>>equipment.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>>hi,
>
>>>what do you call strapped?
>>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>>> are
>>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential
>>>> programs
>>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>>
>>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>>> WATF's
>>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a
>>>> job.
>>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>>
>>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>>> to
>>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there
>>>> are
>>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>>> people
>>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>>> pay
>>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>>> things
>>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who
>>>> don't
>>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>>> the
>>>> information you need.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>>> Juliet
>>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone
>>>> number
>>>> handy.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>>>> Juliet
>>>>> to
>>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>>>> may
>>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>>> such
>>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>>> Blazer
>>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>>> get
>>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just
>>>>> give
>>>>> it
>>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using
>>>>> my
>>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>>> Are
>>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>>> one
>>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:25:58 -0500
> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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> For the time being, you might be able to make a deal with someone who has
> a printer. You buy the paper and run the job. You may have an acquaintance
> who can help you make that happen. Does your affiliate own one? Perhaps
> you can make a deal for its use. Sometimes a TVI will have one as well.
> It could solve the problem right now, and you can put some aside to buy
> one when you can.
>
> A couple of other thoughts. Check out some of the sites that sell used
> equipment. You can pick things up there too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:19 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> If you must know, I want to braille copies of a church hymnal for
> friends who are wanting one, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get
> a company and the international organization to do business. This way I
> can just do the brailling at no charge. Later on, I may start charging for
> whatever I transcribe.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:48 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
> more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or perhaps there are other
> options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard pressed to find someone to
> buy something of the expense of a printer if it is not vocational or
> educational, but I could be wrong.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went
>>to DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy
>>it for you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them
>>for Open Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>are a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential
>>programs but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it
>>is in suspension for the moment.
>
>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>WATF's web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>to manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there
>>are loan programs made available through organizations like ours and
>>even private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get
>>blind people paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of
>>employment, we can then pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>things out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't
>>believe they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind
>>who don't work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>the information you need.
>
>>Chris
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>Juliet Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a
>>phone number handy.
>
>>Judy
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is
>>> very good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using
>>> my Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is
>>> quieter. Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am
>>> I able to find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:29:04 -0500
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <4571B28AB904494AA1E8E374AAB8C20E at NicolePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> The state of Illinois is in debt. So that's another reason why rehab
> agencies aren't to excited about helping unless it's a desperate need. All
> in all, I think it's the government's fault with the way they spend money.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Brian,
>
> Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
> us
> are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
> this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
> One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
> good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
> just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
> that
> is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
> equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
> purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
> this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
> should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
> other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
> equipment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>what do you call strapped?
>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>> are
>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>
>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>> WATF's
>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>
>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>> to
>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>> people
>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>> pay
>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>> things
>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>
>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>> the
>>> information you need.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>> Juliet
>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:37:36 -0400
> From: "Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)" <Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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>
> Many states are in debt. I think it's sometimes government, but also those
> who are selfish enough not to go beyond what's in it for me and mine
> enough to think beyond themselves. Nevertheless, many states do have
> private foundations, agencies, and others that have loan and grant
> programs. I hope you can find one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:29 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state of Illinois is in debt. So that's another reason why rehab
> agencies aren't to excited about helping unless it's a desperate need. All
> in all, I think it's the government's fault with the way they spend money.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Brian,
>
> Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
> us
> are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
> this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
> One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
> good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
> just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
> that
> is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
> equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
> purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
> this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
> should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
> other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
> equipment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>what do you call strapped?
>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>> are
>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>
>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>> WATF's
>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>
>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>> to
>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>> people
>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>> pay
>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>> things
>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>
>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>> the
>>> information you need.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>> Juliet
>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:45:24 -0500
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <D5FD36CA3F1A433CA49544C7624CFADD at NicolePC>
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>
> I have a possible lead. I need to contact them and ask questions. Their
> site wasn't very informative.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:37 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Many states are in debt. I think it's sometimes government, but also those
> who are selfish enough not to go beyond what's in it for me and mine
> enough
> to think beyond themselves. Nevertheless, many states do have private
> foundations, agencies, and others that have loan and grant programs. I
> hope
> you can find one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:29 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state of Illinois is in debt. So that's another reason why rehab
> agencies aren't to excited about helping unless it's a desperate need. All
> in all, I think it's the government's fault with the way they spend money.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Brian,
>
> Hey, I like your accounting, just look at income. In that case, none of
> us
> are strapped. What a relief, I think I'll go shopping
> this weekend and blow my paycheck. <smile>
>
> One problem is that often those who cannot afford technology are not in a
> good position to repay long-term loans, either, and I'm
> just not sure that we should make sizeable grants to purchase equipment
> that
> is not intended to lead to employment. Often,
> equipment that will help in education or lead to employment will be
> purchased by a rehabilitation agency, although I understand
> this isn't always the case. I gather from your note that you think we
> should buy equipment, that it should take priority over
> other programs. Is that correct? We could spend a fortune buying
> equipment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:29:56 -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
>
>>hi,
>
>>what do you call strapped?
>>25mil doesn't sound strapped to me.
>>Bryan Schulz
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>> are
>>> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>> suspension for the moment.
>>>
>>> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>> WATF's
>>> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>> What other organizations will help?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Mike and Listers,
>>>
>>> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>> to
>>> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>> people
>>> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>> pay
>>> off loans, etc. (grin.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>> things
>>> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>>>
>>> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>> the
>>> information you need.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>> Juliet
>>> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>> handy.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:53:14 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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>
> so why not see if you could make a braille transcription business
> acceptable to your state agency, and use the hymnal production
> as a way to get experience and perhaps use it as free advertising. They
> may not buy it, but they might, and it might be something
> you could turn into a source of income if it interests you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:18:54 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> If you must know, I want to braille copies of a church hymnal for
>>friends who are wanting one, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get
>>a
>>company and the international organization to do business. This way I can
>>just do the brailling at no charge. Later on, I may start charging for
>>whatever I transcribe.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:48 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
>>more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or
>>perhaps there are other options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard
>>pressed to find someone to buy something of the expense of a
>>printer if it is not vocational or educational, but I could be wrong.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went
>>> to
>>>DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
>>>you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
>>>Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mike Freeman
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
>>>a
>>>bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>>but
>>>are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>>suspension
>>>for the moment.
>
>>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>>Assistive
>>>Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled persons. How
>>>many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's web address
>>>is
>>><http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>>>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>>loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>>private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>>people
>>>paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>>pay
>>>off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>>>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>>work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>>>information you need.
>
>>>Chris
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hello,
>
>>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>>>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>>handy.
>
>>>Judy
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:04:58 -0500
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <689300694ECF42D0AC5977BE6E430EAF at NicolePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> According to the state, I would have to be certified, which I am not. That
> is a good idea, though, thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:53 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> so why not see if you could make a braille transcription business
> acceptable
> to your state agency, and use the hymnal production
> as a way to get experience and perhaps use it as free advertising. They
> may
> not buy it, but they might, and it might be something
> you could turn into a source of income if it interests you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:18:54 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> If you must know, I want to braille copies of a church hymnal for
>>friends who are wanting one, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get
>>a
>>company and the international organization to do business. This way I can
>>just do the brailling at no charge. Later on, I may start charging for
>>whatever I transcribe.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Jacobson
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:48 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
>>more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or
>>perhaps there are other options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard
>>pressed to find someone to buy something of the expense of a
>>printer if it is not vocational or educational, but I could be wrong.
>
>>Best regards,
>
>>Steve Jacobson
>
>>On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went
>>> to
>>>DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
>>>you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
>>>Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mike Freeman
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
>>>a
>>>bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
>>>but
>>>are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
>>>suspension
>>>for the moment.
>
>>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>>Assistive
>>>Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled persons. How
>>>many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's web address
>>>is
>>><http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
>>>manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
>>>loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
>>>private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind
>>>people
>>>paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
>>>pay
>>>off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
>>>out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>>Mike
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Nikki
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
>>>they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
>>>work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
>>>information you need.
>
>>>Chris
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>>Hello,
>
>>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
>>>Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
>>>handy.
>
>>>Judy
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean they
>>>> don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the Juliet
>>>> to
>>>> say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very good.
>>>>
>>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you may
>>>> want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued embossers
>>>> such
>>>> as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to sell. I have a
>>>> Blazer
>>>> here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I would probably do well to
>>>> get
>>>> rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or just give
>>>> it
>>>> away to a blind person in the area, probably the family of one of our
>>>> younger blind kids.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Nikki
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>>>> Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>>>> Are
>>>> they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to find
>>>> one
>>>> inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:26:19 -0400
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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> Hi Nikki,
>
> You may also want to put a notice out in the Monitor to be put in the
> Monitor Miniatures section saying that you are looking for an affordable
> Braille embosser, and anyone who is looking to sell their embosser can
> contact you. Make sure you include your contact information in this notice
> so that people can contact you. Here's an example of what the notice might
> look like:
>
> Looking for an affordable Braille embosser for home use. I would be
> interested in prices ranging from (insert your minimum price) to (insert
> your maximum price.) If anyone has a Braille embosser they would like to
> sell, please contact Nikki Pearl by calling (insert your phone number) or
> by
> emailing to (insert your email address.)
>
> You can write it any way you want; this is just an example of how I would
> write one based on notices of this kind I have read in the Monitor. After
> you have written your notice, you can submit it to the Monitor by emailing
> Gary Wunder, the Monitor editor, at gwunder at nfb.org.
>
> The Matilda Ziegler Magazine, a weekly magazine for the blind that is
> published electronically every week, also carries these kinds of notices.
> To
> submit a notice to the Ziegler, email Ross Hammond at
> editor at matildaziegler.com
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Hyde, David W. (ESC)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:26 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> For the time being, you might be able to make a deal with someone who has
> a
> printer. You buy the paper and run the job. You may have an acquaintance
> who
> can help you make that happen. Does your affiliate own one? Perhaps you
> can
> make a deal for its use. Sometimes a TVI will have one as well. It could
> solve the problem right now, and you can put some aside to buy one when
> you
> can.
>
> A couple of other thoughts. Check out some of the sites that sell used
> equipment. You can pick things up there too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:19 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> If you must know, I want to braille copies of a church hymnal for
> friends who are wanting one, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg to get
> a
> company and the international organization to do business. This way I can
> just do the brailling at no charge. Later on, I may start charging for
> whatever I transcribe.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:48 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> What are you thinking of using the printer to do? Maybe it could be used
> more in pursuit of a job than you might think, or perhaps there are other
> options. I'm afraid you are going to be hard pressed to find someone to
> buy
> something of the expense of a printer if it is not vocational or
> educational, but I could be wrong.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:09:10 -0500, Nikki wrote:
>
>> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went
>>to DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy
>>it for you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them
>>for Open Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we
>>are a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential
>>programs but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it
>>is in suspension for the moment.
>
>>In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
>>Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
>>persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know.
>>WATF's web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
>>What other organizations will help?
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
>>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Mike and Listers,
>
>>Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive
>>to manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there
>>are loan programs made available through organizations like ours and
>>even private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get
>>blind people paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of
>>employment, we can then pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these
>>things out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
>>Mike
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Nikki
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't
>>believe they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind
>>who don't work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
>>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
>>A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you
>>the information you need.
>
>>Chris
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the
>>Juliet Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a
>>phone number handy.
>
>>Judy
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi Nikki,
>>>
>>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is
>>> very good.
>>>
>>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nikki
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>>
>>> Hi, I??"m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using
>>> my Perkins. I??"ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is
>>> quieter. Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am
>>> I able to find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:36:13 -0400
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Tell that to the 70 percent of blind people who are currently unemployed
> because they can't get a job. <Grin!>
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:33 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Or get a job! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
> DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
> you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
> Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
> suspension for the moment.
>
> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's
> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
> What other organizations will help?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Listers,
>
> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
> pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hello,
>
> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
> handy.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>> good.
>>
>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>
>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:48:44 -0400
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <00b501cd825b$622be0d0$2683a270$@gmail.com>
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> I'm involved with one here in Maryland, but I don't think it would apply
> to you, Nikki, as we are only for blind students in Maryland as of now.
> We're trying to go national; we just don't have the money in the bank to
> do that yet. By the way, this foundation I speak of is called the I CAN
> Foundation, and our Web site is www.icanfoundation.info.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:44 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
> suspension for the moment.
>
> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's
> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
> What other organizations will help?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Listers,
>
> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
> pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hello,
>
> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
> handy.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>> good.
>>
>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>
>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can share.
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:11:49 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
> Message-ID: <006101cd8266$fcd9a710$f68cf530$@panix.com>
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>
> My advice wasn't a prescription; I merely enumerated the other way to get
> a printer. :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:36 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Tell that to the 70 percent of blind people who are currently unemployed
> because they can't get a job. <Grin!>
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:33 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Or get a job! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> How would I find out if my state has something like that? If I went to
> DORS, they'd ask, "why" and then start telling me, "oh! we can buy it for
> you." But there's that catch. School or a job. I had to beg them for Open
> Book. Ugh! I guess I'm going to have to go to school to get one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The nFB used to have a technology loan program. However, seeing as we are
> a bit strapped for funds ourselves -- we can carry on eesential programs
> but are cutting back a bit on the "electives" -- I believe it is in
> suspension for the moment.
>
> In the state of Washington, there's a foundation -- the Washington
> Assistive Technology Foundation (WATF) -- that makes loans to disabled
> persons. How many other states have such an outfit, I do not know. WATF's
> web address is <http://www.watf.org>.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> The state won't pay for things needed unless needed for school or a job.
> What other organizations will help?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Mike and Listers,
>
> Of course we aren't *entitled* to these things, and they are expensive to
> manufacture. Indeed, folks need to make money. So, that's why there are
> loan programs made available through organizations like ours and even
> private assistive technology foundations. If we can only get blind people
> paid fair wages at Goodwill and other places of employment, we can then
> pay off loans, etc. (grin.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Whom *would* you suggest pay for it? People aren't producing these things
> out of the goodness of their hearts!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Nikki
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:44 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> That's what I did before posting my first post. I just can't believe
> they want 4500 for it. How do these companies expect the blind who don't
> work, pay for something like this? Pretty obsurd, if you ask me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hi Judy and Nikki,
>
> A quick Google search for Enabling Technologies will probably get you the
> information you need.
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Judy Jones
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:25 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
> Hello,
>
> I have the Juliet and love it; it really is a workhorse. It's the Juliet
> Pro 60. Enabling technologies sells them, but don't have a phone number
> handy.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Why would I want a "discontinued" braille embosser? Does that mean
>> they don't make spare parts to fix it if it were to break?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi Nikki,
>>
>> I have a Romeo Pro 50 at school and love it! I haven't heard the
>> Juliet to say if it's any quieter than the Romeo, but the Romeo is very
>> good.
>>
>> If you find the Romeo and Juliet embossers to be too expensive, you
>> may want to check to see if anybody has one of the discontinued
>> embossers such as a Braille Blazer which they would be willing to
>> sell. I have a Blazer here at home, but don't use it anymore, so I
>> would probably do well to get rid of the thing, but I'm not sure if
>> I'm going to sell it or just give it away to a blind person in the
>> area, probably the family of one of our younger blind kids.
>>
>> I'm sorry I couldn't offer more information, but I hope this helps you.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Nikki
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:19 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] braille printer questions
>>
>> Hi, I?m looking for faster easier ways to braille other than using my
>> Perkins. I?ve heard of Romeo and Juliet, and how Juliet is quieter.
>> Are they the best available product? Are they expensive? Am I able to
>> find one inexpensively, and if so, where?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can share.
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