[Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane

Diane Graves princess.di2007 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 16 16:23:45 UTC 2012 

Do Tell.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:09 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane

All barefooted?  wow!  Hey, more good reasons to use a cane.  We keep this
up, we're going to whind up with a multitude of really good extra reasons
for the cane.  Remind me, some time, to tell the story of my first NFB cane
experience.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've never stepped on a bee (knock on wood), but I have walked on 
> hooooot sidewalks, stepped in Dog poo and ran over gravel! Lol.
> 
> On 12/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> Aren't such incidents part of the American experience? (grin)
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Diane Graves
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:45 AM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>> 
>> Ray,
>> 
>> You must have some really tough feet. LOL I can't imagine being 
>> barefoot anywhere accept my house--unless I was at a pool or something,
of course.
>> Guess I stepped on a few too many bees as a kid, or walked on a few 
>> too many hot sidewalks. LOL
>> 
>> Diane Graves
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray 
>> Foret Jr
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:35 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Refusal To Use A Cane
>> 
>> And for me, the combination of using a cane and being barefooted 
>> (when
>> possible) is a help.  Now, of course, I think it seems to be the case 
>> that we're all saying pretty much the same thing.  Seems to me that 
>> everyone who has posted on this topic seems to be of the view that 
>> force is most definently not the way to go with this.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
wrote:
>> 
>>> Good morning, Peter, and all.
>>> 
>>> From what I here, the late Ben Underwood also chose not to use a 
>>> cane but
>> relied on echolocation exclusively to get an image of his 
>> environment, so, let us not assume that what works for us, ought to 
>> work just as well for the next guy because,, as you know, an 
>> individual traveler will figure out what works for him and how best 
>> to implement such strategies. Personally, I rely on a combination of 
>> information that flows through a long, white stick as well as 
>> echolocation to further define what the stick tells me of my 
>> surroundings. Does said blind person's failure to use his cane make 
>> his mobility skills less affective than they are with cane? Can one 
>> tell a difference? Personally, I think sending the guy home in a cab 
>> without his doing what he came to do is extreme, particularly if he 
>> can manage just as well.
>>> for today, Carly
>>> 
>>> is totally blind and absolutely
>>>> refuses to use a cane. They recently showed up at our Christmas 
>>>> party and had to be helped in to and out of the meeting room we 
>>>> used for this
>> event.
>>>> Members were surprised when they discovered that this person showed 
>>>> up without their cane. When later questioned about this the person 
>>>> began giving us all manner of excuse. They told us that their 
>>>> neurologist and past O&M instructors recommended against the use of 
>>>> the cane due to this person's having seizures. This individual 
>>>> attended Perkins along with a number of other schools for the blind.
>>>> I know for a fact that at least while at Perkins this individual 
>>>> lived in a cottage with another person who also has seizures and is 
>>>> one of the best travelers I know. Like this person, the confident 
>>>> cane user is totally blind and is someone I came to know well. The 
>>>> individual in question undoubtedly met many other successful blind 
>>>> cane users with other disabilities. I myself have seizures and 
>>>> sleep
>> apnea and use both a cane and a dog depending on the situation.
>>>> 
>>>>   The individual refusing to use their cane has all ready been told 
>>>> by several members in the area that if they wish to visit them 
>>>> the/she must bring their cane and use it to get from their 
>>>> transportation in to our residence and if necessary use the cane 
>>>> during
>> their visit.
>>>> 
>>>>   When attempting to reason with the person in question members 
>>>> have been accused of "Bullying" them and have heard all excuses in 
>>>> the book why he/she cannot use a cane proficiently. The individual 
>>>> has been told that neurologists are not qualified to determine 
>>>> whether or not the use of a travel aid can effect one's seizures. 
>>>> The evidence to the contrary is over whelmingly against this 
>>>> horsepuckey. As we also know not all blindness professionals have 
>>>> true belief in the capabilities of the blind. This individual 
>>>> obviously had a few such persons in their life to sell them short 
>>>> on their ability to travel independently and on the importance of 
>>>> using a cane or a dog. The individual has been told that if they 
>>>> show up at any of our homes without their cane we will call them a 
>>>> cab and promptly send them home at their expense something they can 
>>>> avoid simply by listening to reason and using their cane whenever
traveling. We're busy people.
>>>> The last thing we need to have to do is take someone to the 
>>>> emergency room when we know that an individual has complete 
>>>> disregard for their personal safety and as negligent. It seems like 
>>>> direct threat provisions of the ADA may apply in this situation 
>>>> where public venues are
>> concerned. The lawyers can help us wit this one.
>>>> 
>>>>   We want to help this person achieve a higher degree of 
>>>> independence and be an active member of our chapter. While we won't 
>>>> prohibit them from joining us they'll be a more effective 
>>>> contributor to the cause if they would embrace the alternative 
>>>> techniques of blindness and use them regularly. Thanks for your help
and suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>> 
>>>> "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper."
>>>> Isaiah 54:17
>>>> 
>>>> "While for our princes they prepare In caverns deep a burning 
>>>> snare, He shot from heaven a piercing ray, And the dark treachery 
>>>> brought to day."
>>>> Anonymous
>>>> 
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