[Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For The Blind?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, speaking from my own personal experience, I can too tell.  I suspect that others can as well.  Whether all can, I am uncertain:  nevertheless, I think it an interesting question.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Dec 31, 2012, at 4:04 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:

> Ray:
> 
> I'd say, with all due respect, that your explanation below is an explanation
> looking for a phenomenon. Do we *really* know that we can tell when
> someone's looking at us? Has there been a double-blind study (in the
> medicinal trial sense) wherein participants also were blind-folded with at
> least ten thousand participants so that the statistical observations have at
> least a small chance of being valid? I doubt it. And can blind persons
> *really* tell when someone's looking at them from across a room with lots of
> intervening sound and people? I rather doubt it. I think what we *think* is
> being able to tell is merely observing the body and other reactions of those
> whom we perceive to be looking at us.
> 
> This is your terminal skeptic speaking here.! (grin)
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
> Jr
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:51 AM
> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For
> The Blind?
> 
> Here's another thought.  I wish someone would come up with a good
> explanation for this.  We all know it's true.  You know how you can feel
> someone's eyes on you-and therefore-you know they're watching you and when
> they're not?  It's something we all know is a fact:  and yet, nobody seems
> to have bothered to try to work out just exactly what is actually going on.
> Is it the eyes of the watcher that  cause this?  Could it possibly be the
> way in which a person's seeing eyes reflect off what they're f:  sort of
> like radar so that what we feel is actually the way light bends or bounces
> back off us?  I sort of have a notion that's what's going on.  When a
> sighted person looks at you, their eyes put out a kind of what you might
> call light detection thingy:  maybe the retina and the way it causes focus
> has something to do with this:  And, this causes the light around the person
> being looked at to bend in to the shape of that person, I guess maybe that's
> what makes the shadow.  Anyhow
> , the now bent light bounces back to the seer's eyes and that is how they
> can see us.  The byproduct of that focused light reflection is felt by us in
> the way that the light refraction around us changes.  Well, anyhow, that's
> my notion:  And, it seems to me that if somebody really worked out how this
> actually happens, might we not   develop ways in which this finaminan could
> be useful?  and, after all, who better to learn how to take advantage of and
> learn to use it them the blind ourselves.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On Dec 31, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> I know nothing about this organization, but I credit most of my ability to
>> get around to using echolocation and a cane.  It is a tremendous asset to
>> have.  There is an interesting book you might want to read called see what
>> I'm saying and it is available through the national library service.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wogg le4
>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:43 AM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: blind-international-students-request at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echo Location as a Mobility Aid, World Access For The
>> Blind?
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I have read some material on this online and wondered if people could give
>> me:
>> 
>> 1. Information on this organization?
>> 2. Have you done this training? Was it effective? If so, how?
>> Especially interested in the views of adults.
>> 3. Practicalities, costs etc.
>> 
>> I really would appreciate your views or if you yourself don't know
>> suggestions what other lists I could ask this on.
>> Thanks
>> 
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