[Blindtlk] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

Tue Jan 31 15:57:56 UTC 2012

Hi Steve. I think that a number of approaches would be useful. Short term, to get to work any way you can. I know that I can and oft do take a bus when it is colder than a rehab counselor's heart out there. Sometimes I get a ride that I pay for from one of my co-workers. This gets me to work, but doesn't solve the problem. He should take with the responsible party e.g. landlord or owner of the property, transit company, or city to discuss clearing of bus stops. He should do this repeadly. Sometimes, this requires going to city council meetings. Only after it becomes clear that the city and other responsible parties are not going to do anything should he try for an ADA complaint. I hate to use the hammer first.

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From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

So what are you and Steve recommending, that he disregard the fact that blind people have dealt with this kind of stuff for years and continue riding with his dad until he is able to get an ADA complaint filed, heard, and decided upon?  You guys are probably right about the ADA covering this, but when there is a lot of snow, you're probably going to run into that good old "Undue burden" language.  The kind of situation he describes is a pain for everyone, even sighted people, but I don't think it is justification to avoid it on the basis of blindness alone, unless there is another disability that might affect balance.  If he wants to try his advocacy skills and perhaps get something done on the basis of ADA, that's fine, but it is also a good opportunity to develop one's winter skills, especially if one is young and learning, and not just wait around until something happens with the ADA.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:17:41 -0600, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:

>First, thank you for reminding me of Muzzy. As far as snow, in this 
>case, I must agree with Steve. Not
only at bus stops, which sometimes, do get cleared, but at crosswalks as well, which often do not. In addition to the fact that, if using a mobility device, in many areas you can't cross the street, having a two or three foot snow bank to climb over can and does mess up street crossings. Then, looking for the sidewalk on the other side. The frustration is only heighten when some helpful Henry or Henrietta (yes I know they're just trying to help) hollers out their car window to let you know that you're in the street. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:50 PM
>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

>Humberto:

>What do you do? You do the same thing that every other pedestrian must do.
>You suck it up and power your way through the snow, occasionally 
>falling and cursing and getting back
up again and going on. You wear boots perhaps and devices like Yaktracks (I don't like them much). You take soundings through the snow with your cane held vertically. You get your feet wet and curse Mother Nature.

>Remember, it's your *eyes* that don't work, not your feet/legs/balance!

>Muzzy Marcelino once said that snow was blind man's fog. But remember, 
>he was from the Bay Area so
wasn't much used to snow.

>Look upon all this as an adventure!

>Mike Freeman
> 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Humberto Avila
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:24 PM
>To: blindtlk at nfbNet.org; nabs-l at nfbNet.org
>Cc: blackburn.minkina at yakimaschools.org; tarinkendrick at msn.com
>Subject: [Blindtlk] cleaning up the snow within bus stops

>Hello all,
> 
>I am running into a problem that has been bothering me to a point where 
>I want to try out my advocacy
skills, and I would like to share it with you.
> 
>Well. here is the story.  a couple of weeks ago a major winter storm 
>was upon us here in Central
Washington State, and it really affected my city, Yakima. We had a snowfall that left about up to 5 inches of snow throughout the city, and the first two days that happened it went nonstop for more than
>24 hours. this left people unable to go to work and school for about 
>two days, and public as well as
school routes for buses were reduced or limited those days. this storm left me unable to ride the city bus to and from school, making my Dad take me to and from school for the rest of next week.
>today that still continued; My dad still drove me to school and back home. 
> 
>While the roads and all highways are clean, many sidewalks including 
>sidewalks where there are bus
stops and benches are still soaked into so much snow and ice from two weeks ago. And you know what is worse? the people or machines who clean the snow in the mornings or nights deposit all that snow there, leaving the piles and trails of snow into those very places I mentioned, especially at the bus stops. 
Now in fact, that snow has turned into ice, and the sidewalks with bus stops are even more slippery and hard to walk or step on. 
> 
>With all this mess, how is a blind person going to walk to take their desired public transportation? 
How am I supposed to step on all those mountains of slippery ice waiting for the bus? 
>for once, this is driving me crazy and is putting my independence at 
>risk of going down the drain. Like
I said, my parent has to drive me to and from, every day, and if this continues to happen, I fear that I will lose practice of traveling on the city bus. 
> 
>what it's making things more bothersome is that, quite frankly, I feel 
>embarrassed by my Dad to pick me
up at the college, right in front of the main class building, and take me there because, well, about 99.2% of all the college students can DRIVE and do DRIVE their own cars, and I don't know what they think of me when my Dad has to do that. I am very disappointed with them not being able to also clean up the snow and ice from the bus stops and their sidewalks. I am also angry because they don't even think about people, especially blind or disabled, depending on buses to take them everywhere since they have to use those bus stops.
> 
>What should I do? Where should I start from in trying to put someone to 
>clear up those paths and
sidewalks where there are bus stop so that I can travel safely and independently once again? who should I tell about this?
>which authority should know this? 
> 
>I wonder how sighted people are getting off and on those buses with all 
>this sleek. I'm sure Ice can
try out on those sidewalks and stops, however, it is very cold and I doubt this will happen soon enough for me to ride the bus.
>do you have any recommendations for me on this situation? Any ideas?
>suggestions? tips?
> 
>your help and advice is welcome please. I'm tired of my dad having to 
>drive here and there every
morning and spend his gas, and embarrassed that I am one of those very few, or the only one, whose parents take them to college.
>I'm sure no college student wants that since we are now adults.
> 
>Sincerely,
>Humberto
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