[Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
Judy Jones
jtj1 at cableone.net
Sun Nov 11 23:38:36 UTC 2012
Hi,
For our store inventory, I bought clear adhesive sheets through e-bay where
they can be bought 50 sheets for $25, and use the paper cutter for the
labels. Very quickly done on perkins and cut for product labels.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
> Where I work, where we do hundreds of books a year, if not thousands, we
> use cardboard covers, and make labels for the covers on plastic with
> adhesive backing -- just Braille in Perkins cut them out with paper
> cutter, and put them on.
>
> In terms of messing around with the text, translator, and embosser to do
> covers, it isn't worth the effort.
>
> Dave
>
> At 09:03 AM 11/11/2012, you wrote:
>>I wouldn't use a Braille embosser to create covers. That's a good way to
>>wear an embosser out! I'd just buy cardboard covers and label with a slate
>>and stylus.
>>Mike Freeman
>>
>>On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, James Kelm wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dear Heather and gang...
>>Mike Freeman
>>>
>>> I sincerely appreciate all of your guidance and help! Obviously the
>>> purchase of an embosser is a sizable investment, so I am trying to
>>> gather as much information as I can in order to make the correct choice
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> One of the things which concerns me about having only the tractor
>>> feeder, without the additional feature of being able to use individual
>>> cut sheets, is when I do covers for books, or other such specialized
>>> printing. Of course since this is new to me and I may be
>>> misunderstanding, but I do not want to have to buy a large and costly
>>> roll of plastic covers, only to print a few covers at a time. I can
>>> foresee having to print a large number of sheets/pages for a particular
>>> job, but only a few covers. If I can only use a tractor feeder, does
>>> this mean that I either can not print specialized covers, or that I have
>>> to have a large and very expensive amount of plastic for covers and
>>> such?
>>>
>>> From what I have understood from the postings that I have read, along
>>> with my personal research, is that I may be better off buying the
>>> machine that offers both options. This way I will have the stability of
>>> the tractor feeder for the majority of my printing needs. But I will
>>> also have the "luxury" of being able to use individual cut sheets for
>>> the jobs that would best be suited for these types of projects. For the
>>> little extra, it may be better to have both options?
>>>
>>> Take care, and again, thanks for all of your wise guidance!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Respectfully Yours in Christ,
>>>James Kelm
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Field"
>>><missheather at comcast.net>
>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:16 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello James,
>>>>In my opinion, it is wise to spend more money at the start and purchase
>>>>the machine that can take cut sheet paper. I personally have far better
>>>>things to do with my life than to sit and pull the tractor-feed strips
>>>>off the edges of 4 or 5 volumes of newly embossed braille sheets every
>>>>week or two.
>>>>I use an Everest embosser which takes cut sheet paper and it's great.
>>>>The first model had some issues, as one would expect with ground
>>>>breaking technology, but that's been fixed for over ten years and now
>>>>all models work great without the tractor feed mechanism. I just go to
>>>>my local office depot or Staples and buy heavy weight paper of the size
>>>>I require and use it in the embosser. It's much cheaper than purchasing
>>>>specialised braille paper. And, I can be binding and reading my books
>>>>only minutes after the pages have been embossed. No tearing fan fold
>>>>paper apart, trying to keep track of the page numbering, and no tearing
>>>>fiddly edge pieces.
>>>>If you are convinced that the Juliet is your embosser of choice, and
>>>>they are a very good embosser, then I strongly encourage you to choose
>>>>the more expensive one that will give you choices. It is human nature to
>>>>tell ourselves that we can save some money by purchasing the cheaper
>>>>embosser. We can convince ourselves that it won't be that much trouble
>>>>to tear apart the fan fold pages and rip the edging off. However, if you
>>>>are a busy person, this soon becomes a frustrating drudgery and one sees
>>>>the deception. This, of course, depends somewhat on how much braille you
>>>>produce per week. I emboss a lot of pages every week and don't have time
>>>>to spend preparing tractor feed paper for binding.
>>>>Now, to all of you great folks who have tractor feed embossers and don't
>>>>mind that monotonous job of de-edging thousands of pages of braille, I
>>>>did say this was only my opinion.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Heather Field
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: James Kelm
>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:35 PM
>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>Okay... Another question about the embossers...
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that the lower priced machine only allows printing
>>>> via
>>>>the tractor feeding, while a bit more expensive machines also allow you
>>>>to
>>>>feed cut sheets through the machine. My question is... How often do
>>>>those
>>>>of you who use an embosser use cut sheets rather than tractor feeding?
>>>>In
>>>>other words, is the additional cost justified by the extra feature of
>>>>being
>>>>able to feed individual cut sheets through the machine?
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully Yours in Christ,
>>>>James Kelm
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:00 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>
>>>>>Very good point, and very true!!!
>>>>>Judy
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 11:02 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>
>>>>>>James:
>>>>>>I agree with you completely on the importance of reading well and on
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>fact that a decreasing number of people (blind or sighted) read more
>>>>>>than a
>>>>>>headline or two. It's going to catch up with us (society) eventually
>>>>>>when we
>>>>>>wonder why China is out-innovating us and when the citizenry thinks
>>>>>>Presidential debates are a substitute for understanding economics,
>>>>>>foreign
>>>>>>policy and the consequences of proposed governmental actions in
>>>>>>detail.
>>>>>>That said, I'm perfectly happy with a refreshable Braille display.
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>getting the Braille that counts, not the form it takes. But all bets
>>>>>>are off
>>>>>>when it comes to math Braille. Math Braille should *always* be on
>>>>>>paper.
>>>>>>Mike Freeman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James
>>>>>>Kelm
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:16 PM
>>>>>>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>>Dear Jasmine and group...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is nice to hear that so many folks still enjoy reading in
>>>>>> general,
>>>>>>and who enjoy reading the physical book format. It is sad that so
>>>>>>many
>>>>>>people now days, both blind and sighted, simply do not read! I
>>>>>>personally
>>>>>>think that they are missing so much, and while a lot of information
>>>>>>can be
>>>>>>gotten via the Internet and all of the magical forms of technology, it
>>>>>>simply is not the same as actually reading a book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps this will be controversial, and please know that I do not
>>>>>> intend
>>>>>>for it to be! I am simply stating my own personal opinion... But I
>>>>>>think
>>>>>>that a large degree of social and occupational empowerment can be
>>>>>>achieved
>>>>>>by the blind, simply by actually having the skills to read. Of course
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>applies to reading refreshable Braille as well, but I know that for me
>>>>>>personally, simply having the ability to sit down with a book or
>>>>>>magazine
>>>>>>has afforded me a nice feeling of equality and compatibility with the
>>>>>>sighted world. I think that it is a shame that so many young blind
>>>>>>people,
>>>>>>are no longer being taught Braille in school! It is nice to have the
>>>>>>luxury
>>>>>>of when I want, not to have to depend on technology or other
>>>>>>advancements
>>>>>>such as this, but to actually sit down and read a book, magazine, or
>>>>>>whatever. Perhaps this is largely because I am of an age when books
>>>>>>held
>>>>>>actual power and a sort of magic. There is an intimacy when you
>>>>>>actually
>>>>>>lay your hands on the words that an author has written, rather than
>>>>>>having a
>>>>>>rather sterol relationship with technology. Now don't misunderstand
>>>>>>me! I
>>>>>>love my technology, and I spend way too much of my time on the
>>>>>>Internet!
>>>>>>But there is still something about grabbing a book off of the shelf,
>>>>>>sitting
>>>>>>in my favorite armchair, and reading. Also, I can read in bed at
>>>>>>night,
>>>>>>without having to bother my sighted wife. LOLL Sighted folks can't
>>>>>>say
>>>>>>that! *smile*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Respectfully Yours in Christ,
>>>>>>James Kelm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasmine Kotsay"
>>>>>><jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>I couldn't agree with you more about having an actual hard-copy book
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>read by the fire rather than a refreshable display. I have a
>>>>>>>BrailleNote
>>>>>>>Apex, and wouldn't trade it for anything, but I still love my
>>>>>>>hard-copy
>>>>>>>books! LOL!
>>>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>>>Jasmine
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "James Kelm" <jameskelm at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:18:29 -0600
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>>>Dear Judy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I debated over getting an embosser VS. something like a
>>>>>>> refreshable
>>>>>>>Braille display, and I came to the following conclusion. Firstly, I
>>>>>>>hope
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>produce material for other blind individuals, churches, etc. With an
>>>>>>>embosser I will be able to produce material that I can then pass on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secondly, and this may just be a matter of my old age... LOLL
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>there is something magical about actually sitting down in the evening
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>an actual physical book. For some reason, and maybe this is again
>>>>>>>just a
>>>>>>>matter of my experience, but the image of sitting down in front of a
>>>>>>>fire
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>the fire place in the evening, and holding a refreshable display on
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>lap,
>>>>>>>just doesn't have the same pizzazz. LOLL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Respectfully in Christ,
>>>>>>>James Kelm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net
>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi, James,
>>>>>>>I have the Juliet Pro 60 and have been very happy with it. It's a
>>>>>>>real
>>>>>>>workhorse and does a good job.
>>>>>>>As a braille user, I have to ask this question. Rather than having
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>the braille hard-copy taking up shelf room, do you have a note taker
>>>>>>>or a
>>>>>>>portable device you can use on which to store digital files?
>>>>>>>I have a note taker for home and one for the office, and can carry
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>electronic files on the note taker, or on a thumb drive to download
>>>>>>>as I
>>>>>>>need them.
>>>>>>>Just curious.
>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>Judy
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "James Kelm" <jameskelm at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:30 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: [Blindtlk] Questions about embossers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am hoping that you will be able to assist me! I am looking to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>a rather sizable purchase, and I am looking for advice on which
>>>>>>>machine
>>>>>>>will best meet my needs, while also offering the most for the money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, let me tell you what uses I will be needing a new
>>>>>>>embosser for... First of all, as a pastor, I obviously present a
>>>>>>>Sunday
>>>>>>>message each week. So I would like to be able to produce my notes
>>>>>>>each
>>>>>>>week on my computer, and then push a button to have my notes
>>>>>>>"printed"
>>>>>>>out in Braille for use when I give my message. These notes will
>>>>>>>range
>>>>>>>from 3 to 10 pages of Braille at a time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secondly, I want to begin producing material for distribution to
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>churches, organizations, etc. This means that I will produce a book
>>>>>>>ranging from 50 to 200 pages, and then I want to be able to "print"
>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>my computer the material that has been E-mailed to me via pdf, doc,
>>>>>>>etc
>>>>>>>files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thirdly, of course within a professional office setting, there
>>>>>>> are a
>>>>>>>number of different situations in which having the ability to print a
>>>>>>>Braille copy of material would be of great use. This would range
>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>copying an E-mail, copying study material that has been produced
>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>myself or others, etc. I would not be producing great numbers of
>>>>>>>Braille
>>>>>>>pages per week, but the quality and easy of use would be a huge plus!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The two embossers that I am looking at is the Index Basic-D V4,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>the Juliet Pro 60.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are your impressions of these two machines, or do you have
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>suggestions for me? Also I should tell you that while I am quite
>>>>>>>capable
>>>>>>>at general computer usage, I have never worked with an embosser
>>>>>>>before.
>>>>>>>Do I need any additional equipment such as sound proofing boxes and
>>>>>>>such?
>>>>>>>I understand that any embosser can be quite loud?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you so much for your guidance in this matter!
>
>
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