[Blindtlk] devices RE: introduction

Mon Sep 10 17:19:27 UTC 2012

Heck yeah! That would be AWESOME!! Lol!

Sent from my iPod Touch

On Sep 8, 2012, at 5:06 PM, "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike and everyone,
> 
> Now, wouldn't it be great if the Optacon was remade with a Braille display
> so you could read what the Optacon was scanning in Braille? This is purely
> hypothetical; I don't even know if it would be possible to do this. But it
> would be very cool if it is possible!
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:20 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] devices RE: introduction
> 
> Jasmine:
> 
> The Optacon doesn't actually read anything: you use the Optacon to read
> stuff using your own brain and fingers. Some people can read handwriting;
> others cannot. I never mastered that skill. However, I could read line
> drawings and some maps. Judy Jones has given you a decent description of the
> Optacon.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:23 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] devices RE: introduction
> 
> Hi,
>    Until now, I've never heard ofan
> Opticon.  It actually reads handwriting? What actually is an Opticon?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,"'Blind Talk Mailing
> List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:56:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] devices was RE:  introduction
> 
> Hi, Chris,
> 
> I am 28 but  have many   a blind friend who love their opticons, 
> for
> those many, many applications such as reading handwriting and other things
> that OCR, frankly  pukes on.
> 
> Name me a digital divice that reads handwriting.  so No, the opticon is not
> obsolete and, so far as I'm concerned never  will be despite Telesensory's
> haveing gone under.  At 06:45 PM 9/3/2012, Mike Freeman wrote:
> Hi, chris.
> 
> The Optacon was the subject of a lot of hype.  In fact, the fastest Optacon
> users never got much beyond 100 or 120 words per minute.  
> However, the only
> real limit to what an Optacon could read was the comprehension of the human
> brain.  So I would argue that we didn't *have* many of the accessibility
> concerns we do today because if the Optacon could display it and "it" --
> whatever it was -- was relatively uniform (handwriting is not), one could
> read it.  So I disagree that the Optacon is obsolete.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:28 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] devices was RE: introduction
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I agree with you about the Stream.  As far as Humanware's tech support, ugh;
> don't remind me! Thank God I've got a local Humanware distributor in my area
> that actually provides good tech support.  Once I found out that I'm their
> customer, not Humanware's, and they're the ones who are supposed to provide
> me with technical support, I don't even bother calling Humanware when I have
> a problem with either my BrailleNote or my Stream.
> 
> As to the Optacon, you may be surprised to know that although I'm a
> 14-year-old freshman in high school, I do actually know what the Optacon is
> and have seen one in action! The concept of it sort of reminds me of an
> older KNFB Reader, although it conveys the information in a very different
> way.  I personally found it very difficult and tedious to read with,
> probably because I'm a Braille guy and always have been.  However, I'm sure
> that with time and practice one can get relatively fast reading with the
> Optacon.  I can definitely see where it was a great piece of technology in
> the time when it was new, but I think newer and better technology such as
> Braille displays, scan-and-read software and screen readers has made the
> Optacon obsolete.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] devices was RE: introduction
> 
> Jasmine:
> 
> I use a fancy windows 7 laptop with multiple sound cards and also an
> external DECtalk USB synthesizer; the machine runs Windows 7 Home Premium.
> Screen-readers are JAWS 13 and NVDA.  I use a BraillesensePLUS
> B32 note-taker
> from HIMS as well as a BookSense from HIMS.  I use a Victor Reader Stream
> which IMO overall is still the best portable DAISY player on the market even
> though I'm not enamered of HumanWare's tech support other than for the
> Stream at the moment.  I use an iPhone 4.  I also still have a working
> Optacon.  I suppose that about does it.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 4:21 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: [Blindtlk] devices was RE: introduction
> 
> Hi Jasmine,
> 
> For me it's a BrailleNote Apex, a laptop running Windows 7 and JAWS 12, a
> Victor Reader Stream, and (my favorite) an iPod Touch!
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 4:38 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
> Hi,
>         No, I didn't expect it, but I'm glad that this is a place both to
> talk seriously and have fun.
> :)
>         I was wondering what types of
> devices some of you use, such as BrailleNotes, computers with JAWS, or any
> others.  I've already asked a couple of you this question, and I know some
> are on the BrailleNote list, but I'm curious.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jasmine
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun,
> 2 Sep 2012
> 19:18:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
> Wow.  I bet Jasmine didn't expect this when she joined us.
> 
> Again, welcome.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>    Oh yeah! I'm really not afraid of anything.  Haha.  I'll even walk
> outside in the snow barefooted, if I had to.  My dad is the same way.
> 
>  -----Original Message----- From: Ray Foret Jr
>  Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 6:53 PM
>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
>  wow, Nikki, that's very cool!!!  Do you go barefooted outside still?
> 
>  Way back when that person asked whether or not blind people should go
> barefooted, I answered that it depended on many things, but, never ever ever
> blindness.
> 
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
>  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
>  Skype name:
>  barefootedray
> 
>  On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:40 PM, "Nikki" <daizies304 at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
>  Hey Ray, I have been considered a barefoot kid all my life and now I'm in
> my 30's loving it.  LOL!
> 
>  -----Original Message----- From: Ray Foret Jr
>  Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 1:51 PM
>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
>  Hey, another one.
> 
>  Well, whether or not, welcome anyhow.
> 
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
>  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
>  Skype name:
>  barefootedray
> 
>  On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
>  That sounds great! I look forward to seeing some of the conversations that
> go on.
>  As to going barefooted, as long as it's not freezing cold, I'm always
> barefooted in the house.  Outside, though...  Not so much.
> LOL!!
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  Jasmine
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org  Date sent: 
> Sat, 1 Sep
> 2012 17:02:28 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
>  Oh, let's see.
> 
>  One time, somebody asked the question as to whether a blind person should
> go barefooted or not.  Guess by my signature what I said.
> 
>  Actually, I said that, whether or not a blind person does that may well
> depend on many things; but, never should it depend on blindness.
> 
>  Well, that's the lighter side.  We do, however  and very very often,
> discuss some very serious matters here.  Somebody wants help with something,
> for example, we try to offer the best advice we can on the matter.
> Important NFB news updates with respect to the NFB are posted here.  IF our
> help is needed with respect to various legislative matters, such requests
> can be found here.
> HTH.
> 
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
>  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
>  Skype name:
>  barefootedray
> 
>  On Sep 1, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
>  Hi!
>  That's great! What kinds of topics do you discuss? I think they had some
> examples on the website, but I'm curious as to what other things are talked
> about.  :)
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net
>  To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org  Date sent: 
> Sat, 1 Sep
> 2012 14:29:00 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] introduction
> 
>  Well, Jasmine, welcome to the list.  My name is Raymond; but, please call
> me Ray.  I insist.
> 
>  Anyhow, we tend to have some interesting times on this list; by which I
> mean, we usually all get along quite well and have discussions the like of
> which you will find quite stimulating.
> 
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
>  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
>  Skype name:
>  barefootedray
> 
>  On Sep 1, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello,
>  I wanted to introduce myself to this list.  My name is Jasmine.
> When I came upon the name of this list on the NFB website, I was immediately
> interested.  I have no sight, and I'm always curious to find out new things
> about blind people.
> 
>  Sincerely,
>  Jasmine
> 
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