[Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

[Julie J.]

What does it mean to be on a "no fly" list?  Is this an airline thing or a 
government security thing?  Are there lists for each airline or a single 
list for all of them?  And how do you find out you've been put on one, do 
you find out when you try to purchase tickets or at the gate or what?

I don't fly that often, maybe once a year.  I don't foresee doing something 
that would get me the boot, but I am very curious about this.  I had no idea 
there was such a thing.

Thanks!
Julie


-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

I was on a no-fly list and never found out why.

Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:17, "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" 
<david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:

> Peter, being one of those who was involved directly in the problem, I 
> agree with a lot of what you said. If you will remember though, the reason 
> that Steve and Nadine, Jim Gashel, and others were not put on a no fly 
> list, was because there wasn't one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Donahue
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
> Hello David and everyone,
>
>    This whole exit row business is what caused the controversy in the 
> 1980s and 1990s and this despite documented cases of blind individuals 
> seated in exit rows successfully assisting passengers to safety. As for 
> fires on the wing if you put your hand on the window and it's hotter than 
> normal obviously there's a fire outside the aircraft. Better not open that 
> door.
> Those idiots forget that if you can feel the heat of the sun from 93 
> million miles away being able to determine if there's a fire on the wing 
> is a no-brainer. Some of our members who are on some of these lists went 
> to jail for demanding their right to sit in over-wing exit rows but were 
> not put on the no-fly list. Read past issues of The Braille Monitor 
> published in the 1980s and early 1990s for the whole story.
>
> Peter Donahue who is glad it will soon be possible to fly privately and 
> avoid some of the controversies blind air travelers have had to put up 
> with over the years including the right to sit in exit rows as with most 
> private jets there's only one  door in to and out of the plane.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I totally agree.Also if you need to exit the aircraft out the emergency
> exit, you must not have your cane extended as it could put a hole in the
> slide or life raft.
> I use a "D-ring" clip on the handle of my cane so I can clip it to a belt
> loop on my side and leave my hands free and to make it easier to handle my
> guide dog.
> By the way, the policy for exiting the plane in an emergency with your 
> guide
> dog is to go to the exit, pick up your guide dog in your arms and then
> jumpand land in a sitting position, on to the slide, with your dog in your
> arms.
> I can tell you right now and that is not going to happen with my guide dog
> as he weights 120 pounds.
> I plan on distracting him and pushing him out ahead of me or have someone

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