[Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

Sat Apr 6 00:57:17 UTC 2013

I think Pooch would say, there's no space like home.  Seriously, though, I 
have indeed heard that astronauts coming back from long space flights report 
loss of muscle and bone mass and feeling extremely weak for a while.  So, 
some sort of artificial gravity would have to be created.

Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Carly Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:32 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?

All the more reason Pooch has no place in space! CarAt 10:44 AM
4/5/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>David, please forgive my levity.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>Evans
>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 12:41 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>Dear all,
>
>Zero Gravity?
>What are you guys smoking?
>
>Using a guide dog in space would be most impractical.
>For any long term space travel, some form of artificial gravity will be a 
>must.
>The human body begins dropping out calcium due to the lack of gravity and 
>bone loss is a major issue.
>A human space traveler on a long space flight will lose some much bone that 
>bones will break and he will be unable to stand or even use his arms.
>For long space flights, we will need to design space craft that spin or 
>roll to use centrifugal force as a form of artificial gravity to help 
>prevent bone loss.
>The Blind space traveler will need various forms of technology to help him 
>keep his orientation and direction as a guide dog or even a cane will be 
>nearly useless, on board the space craft,  as I see it now.  At least until 
>his feet are back on the ground.
>
>I do have confidence in the enginenuity of my fellow blind brothers and 
>sisters, who I am sure will figure out a way to adapt and overcome as they 
>always have in the past.
>
>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
>Retired Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer Builder of the Lunar Rovers 
>and the F-117 Stealth Fighter.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'Blind Talk Mailing 
>List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 1:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The 
>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
> > Good morning, Daniel and David,
> >
> > God help the poor guide dog who get's its ass drug into 0 Gravity,
> > upon presumptive and overly egotistical, human whims! Here I thought
> > dragging an enslaved pooch onto a  water ride was venturing over the
> > top! Happy Friday! Car 11:10 AM 4/4/2013, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
> >>I must agree with Peter, ask Mark Riccobono. Having said that, and
> >>being a science fiction buff for a very long time, I have given it a
> >>bit of thought. In large open areas, it would be expedient to string
> >>lines through the space to facilitate everyone's movement. It would be
> >>wise to keep one surface clear of obstacles, and that way, it would be
> >>possible to use a cane or other device to follow it along. I would not
> >>recommend a dog guide in this situation unless of course it were
> specially trained.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>Daniel Garcia
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:41 AM
> >>To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >>Subject: [Blindtlk] Zero or low gravity environments was RE: The
> >>Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >>How would blind people deal with zero G or low G environments?I would
> >>imagine it would be difficult. One of those great things about gravity
> >>is that you can use it to tap your cane and that you don't fly off in
> >>any unknown direction.
> >>
> >>Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> >>Evans
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:03 AM
> >>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear Mike,
> >>
> >>I still have hope for indoor navigation apps as long as I can get
> >>direction, position location, distance and points of interest
> >>information and maybe a audio description of the area, its shape, size
> >>and location of Poi's within it, it may give me enough info to go on
> >>instead of using a sighted guide.
> >>If I can find my gate, know if it is on the left or right, ahead of me
> >>or behind me, how far and maybe have a method of telling me if I am
> >>veering off cores to the left or right, it could work for me.
> >>Afterall, I never thought that we would see a way that we could use a
> >>touch screen interface either until Apple did it with the I-Phone.
> >>Now I use one.  See you can teach an old dog new tricks as long as he
> >>is willing to learn and has an open mind.
> >>I think that one day we will have the technology that will guide us
> >>around every good as sighted people do now.
> >>I know that cars can and will be able to drive themselves and that
> >>Blind people will own and use them someday.
> >>I have seen many amazing things happen in my lifetime and I just hope
> >>that I live to see us land people on Mars and have a base on the Moon.
> >>Heck, I would like to live to be a tourist to the Moon, just to see
> >>how my Lunar Rovers have held up to the elements of space since they
> >>were parked for the last time after Apollo Missions 15, 16 and 17.
> >>
> >>David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> >>To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >>
> >>
> >> > David:
> >> >
> >> > I'm one of those doubting Thomases who thinks indoor mapping iPhone
> >> > apps won't be nearly as useful as many people think.
> >> >
> >> > We shall see.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> > David Evans
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:24 PM
> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I was a cane driver for some 25 years, but now use a guide dog as
> >> > my main travel tool, However.I have had airport personnel grab hold
> >> > of my cane before, in an attempt to lead me  or prevent me from
> >> > making contact with someone or something.
> >> > I tell them that it is the same as putting their hand over my "eyes"
> >> > and to please stop it and if there is something I need to be aware
> >> > of, just to say something, but do not grab my cane unless they want
> >> > to wear it as a nose stopper.
> >> > I try to educate people first and be polite, but if they do not
> >> > learn fast, I have a way of speeding up their education.
> >> > I have rights and I have dignity and I will not let anyone take
> >> > them away from me without a fight or a reeducation.
> >> > Most airline people are afraid or very respectful of my guide dog
> >> > as they still buy into the idea that he is also trained as a attack
> >> > dog if some one gives me a hard time and I am not working that hard
> >> > to change their minds if they are doing a bad job of helping me.
> >> > I can hardly wait until the indoor navigation app for my I-Phone is
> >> > ready.
> >> > I am sure that airports will be one of the places that they make
> >> > accessible.
> >> >
> >> > David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
> >> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:07 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Oh, you've had that happen too, have you?  One really has to
> >> >> wonder when that happens why the person doing it doesn't realize
> >> >> immediately how undignified that feels.  The cane is not a leash,
> >> >> or a tether, or a pole attaching two people.  I just gently grab
> >> >> it back and tell the person, "No, that's okay, I'm fine."  One of
> >> >> those situations where we ask the Lord to please give us
> strength and patience.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark Tardif
> >> >> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Daniel Garcia
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 1:51 PM
> >> >> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bonnie:
> >> >>
> >> >> Another thing that annoys me is when I am walking beside a sighted
> >> >> family member or friend and they grab the came because there are
> >> >> people coming the other direction. The whole point of the cane is
> >> >> for it to find things. I don't swing my cane with such force that
> >> >> I would hurt anyone, but they can't help but grab my cane.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sigh.......
> >> >>
> >> >> Daniel
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >> Bonnie Ainsworth
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:15 PM
> >> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >> >>
> >> >> Those of us who are cane users feel the same way, Daniel.  I won't
> >> >> let anyone take my cane from me.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Daniel Garcia" <dangarcia3 at hotmail.com>
> >> >> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:32 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, I am sure a blind pilot could be instrument verified if the
> >> >> cokpit was accessible. I am sure there could even be a way to land
> >> >> the thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> When you say I can have my cane stored in fuselage, does that mean
> >> >> next to me in my seat? If these people are so concerned about
> >> >> safety, I feel safer with my cane at all times. My cane is like an
> >> >> American Express Card, I never leave home without it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
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