[Blindtlk] buffet lines
Ericka J. Short
ericka.short at att.net
Sun Apr 7 00:19:24 UTC 2013
It's not a bad question. Keep in mind here that I don't go to buffets that
much and I'm usually in a place or with a group of people who know me well
so I don't have to do much explaining. Most of my time is at church
potlucks and places with family. I have some usable sight and still I
have the policy that if I don't recognize it, I don't eat it. I just ask
the sighted person in front of me to help distinguish what is out there and
I serve myself. I carry my own plate, but like Julie I go back for
dessert, drink, etc. If someone asks me if I would like them to pick me up
a drink, it doesn't matter to me. Sometimes I decline and other times I
accept. Sighted people do it for each other so why not take up the kind
offer. I don't have a dog, but I carry a cane sometimes. I have it in one
hand and the plate in the other. I stop and put the cane against me to
keep it out of the way as I put things on the plate. Like Julie, buffets
are not my favorite, but I've never really had trouble here in WI with
people trying to take over. I have heard other people have problems, but
because I gently say "Thanks for the offer, but could you just tell me
what's ..." That distracts them and I get the real help I need, not drug
through the line and dumped at a table. Because I" m calm and respectful
it seems to help. Sometimes I send my husband through if I'm really tired.
He does a pretty good job. I don't do that too often. It's usually when
I'm sick and just don't care.
Practice makes perfect and you'll fine what works best for you. There's no
right procedure for the buffet line. Situations are different every time.
One bit of advice : Ask someone how things are laid out. Salads first, hot
dishes nect and the desserts and silverware are at the far left of the
room or some thing like that. Our church has a small fellowship room and
not enough space for a few long table to get it all in one line. As long
as I know where the drinks are (usually by t he kitchen which you can hear
it's location, and the desserts are on the table near the piano, I'm ok.
The middle of the hall has three tables and the plates, silver, napkins
are on the very end,. I just ask where it all is. Makes it much easier. I
learned what is best by trial and error and through that process I learned
there's nothing wrong with asking for help. What is wrong is when you
don't get that choice because some misguided deaf person is thinking about
being kind and not listening. Sometimes I've found that they are not
teachable moments and just let it slide. Some people are just not worth
it. I can just pick up my stuff and move to another table for example.
That will just teach them more than words could have said!
Ericka
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1. Re: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened? (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
2. Re: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened? (Julie J.)
3. Re: Buffet Lines (Julie J.)
4. Re: Buffet Lines (Ray Foret Jr)
5. Re: Buffet Lines (Mike Freeman)
6. Re: The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened? (Carly Mihalakis)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:01:04 -0500
From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
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Now this is the wrong Dave to answer Chris's question, but having known Mike
longer than he would like to admit, I would say that the jury is still out
on his sanity. Of course, it has been out for a long time, and I think he
has it sequestered.
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of cheryl
echevarria
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
That is correct. It is not only for US citizens but for international
clients
Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
David,
Are you calling Mike Freeman a nut job? <Smile!>
Chris
Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
Public Relations Committee
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Phone: (443) 547-2409
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:54 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
The "no fly" list is maintained by the TSA,(Transportation Security
Administration), which is part of Home Land Security. Mostly suspected
terrorist and nut jobs are put on this list and not allowed to fly.
They check your name against this list when you check in to fly.
David Evans, NFBF and GD Jack.
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From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> What does it mean to be on a "no fly" list? Is this an airline thing
> or a
> government security thing? Are there lists for each airline or a
> single list for all of them? And how do you find out you've been put
> on one, do you find out when you try to purchase tickets or at the gate or
> what?
>
> I don't fly that often, maybe once a year. I don't foresee doing
> something that would get me the boot, but I am very curious about
> this. I
> had no idea there was such a thing.
>
> Thanks!
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:46 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
> I was on a no-fly list and never found out why.
>
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:17, "Hyde, David W. (ESC)"
> <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>
>> Peter, being one of those who was involved directly in the problem, I
>> agree with a lot of what you said. If you will remember though, the
>> reason that Steve and Nadine, Jim Gashel, and others were not put on
>> a no
>> fly list, was because there wasn't one.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:16 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>> Hello David and everyone,
>>
>> This whole exit row business is what caused the controversy in the
>> 1980s and 1990s and this despite documented cases of blind
>> individuals seated in exit rows successfully assisting passengers to
>> safety. As for fires on the wing if you put your hand on the window
>> and it's hotter than
>> normal obviously there's a fire outside the aircraft. Better not open
>> that door.
>> Those idiots forget that if you can feel the heat of the sun from 93
>> million miles away being able to determine if there's a fire on the
>> wing is a no-brainer. Some of our members who are on some of these
>> lists went to jail for demanding their right to sit in over-wing exit
>> rows but were not put on the no-fly list. Read past issues of The
>> Braille Monitor published in the 1980s and early 1990s for the whole
>> story.
>>
>> Peter Donahue who is glad it will soon be possible to fly privately
>> and avoid some of the controversies blind air travelers have had to
>> put up with over the years including the right to sit in exit rows as
>> with most private jets there's only one door in to and out of the plane.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I totally agree.Also if you need to exit the aircraft out the
>> emergency exit, you must not have your cane extended as it could put
>> a hole in the slide or life raft.
>> I use a "D-ring" clip on the handle of my cane so I can clip it to a
>> belt loop on my side and leave my hands free and to make it easier to
>> handle my guide dog.
>> By the way, the policy for exiting the plane in an emergency with
>> your guide dog is to go to the exit, pick up your guide dog in your
>> arms and then jumpand land in a sitting position, on to the slide,
>> with your dog in your arms.
>> I can tell you right now and that is not going to happen with my
>> guide dog as he weights 120 pounds.
>> I plan on distracting him and pushing him out ahead of me or have
>> someone
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:10:46 -0500
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
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Thanks David and Mike!
Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:28 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
As David says, it's done by T S A. I found out when I went to check in at
the Alaska counter. I managed to get on board but it was quite a hassle. I
went through this for several years and then one flight, I was mysteriously
no longer on the no-fly list. I never did figure out what was going on.
I once asked Senator Cantwell's office if she could help me get off the
no-fly list and was told that the late Senator Edward Kennedy was on one for
a while and even *he* couldn't figure out how he got on it nor how to get
off it.
As I say, I always managed to gget on the planes but only after getting the
nth degree.
Mike Freeman
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
What does it mean to be on a "no fly" list? Is this an airline thing or a
government security thing? Are there lists for each airline or a single
list for all of them? And how do you find out you've been put on one, do
you find out when you try to purchase tickets or at the gate or what?
I don't fly that often, maybe once a year. I don't foresee doing something
that would get me the boot, but I am very curious about this. I had no idea
there was such a thing.
Thanks!
Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
I was on a no-fly list and never found out why.
Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:17, "Hyde, David W. (ESC)"
<david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
> Peter, being one of those who was involved directly in the problem, I
> agree with a lot of what you said. If you will remember though, the
> reason that Steve and Nadine, Jim Gashel, and others were not put on a
> no fly list, was because there wasn't one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Donahue
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:16 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
> Hello David and everyone,
>
> This whole exit row business is what caused the controversy in the
> 1980s and 1990s and this despite documented cases of blind individuals
> seated in exit rows successfully assisting passengers to safety. As
> for fires on the wing if you put your hand on the window and it's
> hotter than normal obviously there's a fire outside the aircraft.
> Better not open that door.
> Those idiots forget that if you can feel the heat of the sun from 93
> million miles away being able to determine if there's a fire on the
> wing is a no-brainer. Some of our members who are on some of these
> lists went to jail for demanding their right to sit in over-wing exit
> rows but were not put on the no-fly list. Read past issues of The
> Braille Monitor published in the 1980s and early 1990s for the whole
story.
>
> Peter Donahue who is glad it will soon be possible to fly privately
> and avoid some of the controversies blind air travelers have had to
> put up with over the years including the right to sit in exit rows as
> with most private jets there's only one door in to and out of the plane.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I totally agree.Also if you need to exit the aircraft out the
> emergency exit, you must not have your cane extended as it could put a
> hole in the slide or life raft.
> I use a "D-ring" clip on the handle of my cane so I can clip it to a
> belt loop on my side and leave my hands free and to make it easier to
> handle my guide dog.
> By the way, the policy for exiting the plane in an emergency with your
> guide dog is to go to the exit, pick up your guide dog in your arms
> and then jumpand land in a sitting position, on to the slide, with
> your dog in your arms.
> I can tell you right now and that is not going to happen with my guide
> dog as he weights 120 pounds.
> I plan on distracting him and pushing him out ahead of me or have
> someone
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:17:11 -0500
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: <gwunder at earthlink.net>, "Blind Talk Mailing List"
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
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Thanks for the vote of confidence! I appreciate your encouragement.
Perhaps I could write something for the Monitor. I hadn't really considered
it before. I'll have to think about it. any suggestions on topics you'd be
particularly interested in?
Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wunder
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
Hi, Julie. It is amazing how much of your message shows real humility and
does not say "I know it all, and it's all easy," but "I have enough
confidence in myself to believe I can figure it out, that it may take me
more than one try, and I refused to be embarrassed or cowed into passivity
just because I don't want to violate my comfort zone. You must must must
write something for the Monitor.
Warmly,
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:27 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
Justin,
If it is at all possible I find an employee or someone I'm with to tell me
what's what on the buffet. I'll wing it alone, if I can't find anyone, but
I don't like doing that.
I did receive blindness training at the Nebraska Commission for the Blind.
I learned a lot of stuff there, but I also learned how to learn. I mean I
learned how to ask for the information I need, how to advocate for myself,
how to problem solve and how to have dignity left when what I tried flopped
miserably! *smile* I had most of those skills to one degree or another
before training, but daily intense practice sharpened, refined and enhanced
them in rapid fashion.
I learn by trial and error and necessity. I have failed at many things I've
tried. Some I tried again and had better luck. Others I decided weren't
for me. There are still things I can't do, but would like to master.
I read Braille at a miserable 30 words per minute. I cannot cook fried
chicken to save my life. I am freaked out by airports. I have worn
mismatched socks! *smile* I still use and practice Braille. I still try
cooking fried chicken every now and then. I still travel through airports,
even though I don't like it. I have learned better methods of matching
socks, so I think that is pretty much solved.
You have to just keep putting yourself out there. It's a process and nobody
is perfect, sighted or blind. We are all learning.
all my best to you,
Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: justin williams
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:58 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
Sometimes, I see you guys on here and feel like I missed out on some
valuable skill training somewhere. I'm not under these illusions that I'm
the best because there aren't very many blind people with my skillset n
columbia. If you listen to the sighted, as they heap praise that you don't
really deserve upon you you may think that. I hope you folks have learned
as much from me as I have you.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:51 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
Kelby,
I've found that if I have a choice I prefer to go through a buffet on the
side that puts my guide dog furthest from the buffet. I'm not worried about
him being inappropriate, sniffing or snatching food, but if he is in between
me and the food, it means that I have to reach over and it's awkward. He
always positions himself parallel to the buffet, so as I'm facing the buffet
he's at a 90 degree angle to me, standing behind me. When I'm ready to move
I turn to line up correctly with the direction of travel, tell him to "step
up" which is something I taught him which means that he should proceed only
a step or two.
At buffets with regular plates I have filled and carried them myself. Put
small items like napkins, utensils and straws in a pocket if you can, it
saves valuable hand real estate! I make multiple trips to get a drink,
soup, dessert etc., rather than trying to make one mega trip.
The only place I've encountered the tray type of buffet was on a college
cafeteria last summer when I was attending a leadership training thing. I
found it best for me to ask for assistance in that situation to carry my
tray. There were lots of little islands, some self service, some with staff
behind the counter who would take your order. I think if I were a regular
college student I would have figured out what was what and been able to do
more myself, but for the three days I was there it worked out fine.
Oh, almost all of the time I find a sighted person to let me know what the
food choices are, but generally I fill my own plate. Working my guide dog
with food in my other hand hasn't been a problem. Of course I can't use
hand signals so I have to be mindful to be clear with verbal directions. He
knows both, but responds a bit better with hand signals. Still it hasn't
been a problem. As much as is possible I try to keep my plate held in front
of my body, not off to the side, because the guide dog isn't going to factor
in the additional width. Of course a dog can be taught to account for
something additional on your right side, like a large bag or a baby
stroller you are pulling, but this requires training and practice.
Anyhow that's how I manage. I hope others will share some ideas. Buffets
are not one of my favorite things. Some more ideas would be great!
Julie
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelby Carlson
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
(This may have already been sent; e-mail is glitching.)
I wish I could come to Maryland, as I'd love to know how y'all do buffet
lines. (Especially when their are trays and guide dogs
involved.)
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:10:38 -0500
From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
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Well, here's an idea for yuh. Take subjects that some don't think the blind
can deal with that you know as a fact you have dealt with or are dealing
with, and answer back. Take buffet lines, for example. Say how you deal
with them and then move along to something else. Heck, you might even use
the dreaded subject of dining in the dark as a springboard in to it.
Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the vote of confidence! I appreciate your encouragement.
> Perhaps I could write something for the Monitor. I hadn't really
> considered it before. I'll have to think about it. any suggestions on
> topics you'd be particularly interested in?
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Wunder
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>
> Hi, Julie. It is amazing how much of your message shows real humility and
> does not say "I know it all, and it's all easy," but "I have enough
> confidence in myself to believe I can figure it out, that it may take me
> more than one try, and I refused to be embarrassed or cowed into passivity
> just because I don't want to violate my comfort zone. You must must must
> write something for the Monitor.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:27 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>
> Justin,
>
> If it is at all possible I find an employee or someone I'm with to tell me
> what's what on the buffet. I'll wing it alone, if I can't find anyone,
> but
> I don't like doing that.
>
> I did receive blindness training at the Nebraska Commission for the Blind.
> I learned a lot of stuff there, but I also learned how to learn. I mean I
> learned how to ask for the information I need, how to advocate for myself,
> how to problem solve and how to have dignity left when what I tried
> flopped
> miserably! *smile* I had most of those skills to one degree or another
> before training, but daily intense practice sharpened, refined and
> enhanced
> them in rapid fashion.
>
> I learn by trial and error and necessity. I have failed at many things
> I've
> tried. Some I tried again and had better luck. Others I decided weren't
> for me. There are still things I can't do, but would like to master.
>
> I read Braille at a miserable 30 words per minute. I cannot cook fried
> chicken to save my life. I am freaked out by airports. I have worn
> mismatched socks! *smile* I still use and practice Braille. I still try
> cooking fried chicken every now and then. I still travel through
> airports,
> even though I don't like it. I have learned better methods of matching
> socks, so I think that is pretty much solved.
>
> You have to just keep putting yourself out there. It's a process and
> nobody
> is perfect, sighted or blind. We are all learning.
>
> all my best to you,
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: justin williams
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:58 AM
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>
> Sometimes, I see you guys on here and feel like I missed out on some
> valuable skill training somewhere. I'm not under these illusions that
> I'm
> the best because there aren't very many blind people with my skillset n
> columbia. If you listen to the sighted, as they heap praise that you
> don't
> really deserve upon you you may think that. I hope you folks have
> learned
> as much from me as I have you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:51 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>
> Kelby,
>
> I've found that if I have a choice I prefer to go through a buffet on the
> side that puts my guide dog furthest from the buffet. I'm not worried
> about
>
> him being inappropriate, sniffing or snatching food, but if he is in
> between
>
> me and the food, it means that I have to reach over and it's awkward. He
> always positions himself parallel to the buffet, so as I'm facing the
> buffet
>
> he's at a 90 degree angle to me, standing behind me. When I'm ready to
> move
>
> I turn to line up correctly with the direction of travel, tell him to
> "step
> up" which is something I taught him which means that he should proceed
> only
> a step or two.
>
> At buffets with regular plates I have filled and carried them myself.
> Put
> small items like napkins, utensils and straws in a pocket if you can, it
> saves valuable hand real estate! I make multiple trips to get a drink,
> soup, dessert etc., rather than trying to make one mega trip.
>
> The only place I've encountered the tray type of buffet was on a college
> cafeteria last summer when I was attending a leadership training thing. I
> found it best for me to ask for assistance in that situation to carry my
> tray. There were lots of little islands, some self service, some with
> staff
>
> behind the counter who would take your order. I think if I were a regular
> college student I would have figured out what was what and been able to do
> more myself, but for the three days I was there it worked out fine.
>
> Oh, almost all of the time I find a sighted person to let me know what the
> food choices are, but generally I fill my own plate. Working my guide dog
> with food in my other hand hasn't been a problem. Of course I can't use
> hand signals so I have to be mindful to be clear with verbal directions.
> He
>
> knows both, but responds a bit better with hand signals. Still it hasn't
> been a problem. As much as is possible I try to keep my plate held in
> front
>
> of my body, not off to the side, because the guide dog isn't going to
> factor
>
> in the additional width. Of course a dog can be taught to account for
> something additional on your right side, like a large bag or a baby
> stroller you are pulling, but this requires training and practice.
>
> Anyhow that's how I manage. I hope others will share some ideas. Buffets
> are not one of my favorite things. Some more ideas would be great!
> Julie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelby Carlson
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:26 AM
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>
> (This may have already been sent; e-mail is glitching.)
>
> I wish I could come to Maryland, as I'd love to know how y'all do buffet
> lines. (Especially when their are trays and guide dogs
> involved.)
>
> Kelby S. Carlson
>
> Vanderbilt University
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:34:39 -0700
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
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Wash your mouth out with soap! (grin)
Mike Freeman
sent from my iPhone
On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:10, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> Well, here's an idea for yuh. Take subjects that some don't think the
> blind can deal with that you know as a fact you have dealt with or are
> dealing with, and answer back. Take buffet lines, for example. Say how
> you deal with them and then move along to something else. Heck, you might
> even use the dreaded subject of dining in the dark as a springboard in to
> it.
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the vote of confidence! I appreciate your encouragement.
>> Perhaps I could write something for the Monitor. I hadn't really
>> considered it before. I'll have to think about it. any suggestions on
>> topics you'd be particularly interested in?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Wunder
>> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:05 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>>
>> Hi, Julie. It is amazing how much of your message shows real humility and
>> does not say "I know it all, and it's all easy," but "I have enough
>> confidence in myself to believe I can figure it out, that it may take me
>> more than one try, and I refused to be embarrassed or cowed into
>> passivity
>> just because I don't want to violate my comfort zone. You must must must
>> write something for the Monitor.
>>
>> Warmly,
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:27 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Buffet Lines
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:47:03 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
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Good morning, Mike,
YOU, were on a no-fly list? Have a great day! Car:46 PM 4/4/2013,
Mike Freeman wrote:
>I was on a no-fly list and never found out why.
>
>Mike Freeman
>sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:17, "Hyde, David W. (ESC)"
><david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>
> > Peter, being one of those who was involved directly in the
> problem, I agree with a lot of what you said. If you will remember
> though, the reason that Steve and Nadine, Jim Gashel, and others
> were not put on a no fly list, was because there wasn't one.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Peter Donahue
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:16 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >
> > Hello David and everyone,
> >
> > This whole exit row business is what caused the controversy in
> the 1980s and 1990s and this despite documented cases of blind
> individuals seated in exit rows successfully assisting passengers
> to safety. As for fires on the wing if you put your hand on the
> window and it's hotter than normal obviously there's a fire outside
> the aircraft. Better not open that door.
> > Those idiots forget that if you can feel the heat of the sun from
> 93 million miles away being able to determine if there's a fire on
> the wing is a no-brainer. Some of our members who are on some of
> these lists went to jail for demanding their right to sit in
> over-wing exit rows but were not put on the no-fly list. Read past
> issues of The Braille Monitor published in the 1980s and early
> 1990s for the whole story.
> >
> > Peter Donahue who is glad it will soon be possible to fly
> privately and avoid some of the controversies blind air travelers
> have had to put up with over the years including the right to sit
> in exit rows as with most private jets there's only one door in to
> and out of the plane.
> >
> > Peter Donahue
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] The Unfriendly Skies -- What happened?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I totally agree.Also if you need to exit the aircraft out the emergency
> > exit, you must not have your cane extended as it could put a hole in the
> > slide or life raft.
> > I use a "D-ring" clip on the handle of my cane so I can clip it to a
> > belt
> > loop on my side and leave my hands free and to make it easier to handle
> > my
> > guide dog.
> > By the way, the policy for exiting the plane in an emergency with
> your guide
> > dog is to go to the exit, pick up your guide dog in your arms and then
> > jumpand land in a sitting position, on to the slide, with your dog in
> > your
> > arms.
> > I can tell you right now and that is not going to happen with my guide
> > dog
> > as he weights 120 pounds.
> > I plan on distracting him and pushing him out ahead of me or have
> > someone
>
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