[Blindtlk] acb or nfb/best practices

Ericka J. Short ericka.short at att.net
Tue Feb 5 19:20:28 UTC 2013 

I don't think there's a problem being a member of both.  In WI I don't think 
the two groups really work together on things, but they both have a presence 
here.  The NFB mostly works with the public schools and the  ACB works with 
the adults.   We really don't have much of a chapter here of the NFB so I 
feel pretty on my own. I am willing to hear suggestions from everyone 
because each persons situation is different and I don't like being dictated 
to.  I don't appreciate being told I have to do something this way because 
it worked for a majority of the blind.  My previous experinnces, education 
and interests all play into what I use.  I have always enjoyed working with 
the disabled and elderly.  Not everything the NFB stands for  helps someone 
who  has lived with sight for most of their lives.  Kids or adults  with 
multiple disabilities--cognitive plus vlind and  epilepsy for example cannot 
be as  independent as  most of the NFB philosophy  asks.  Because I believe 
in variety and  support for all, I  belong to both organizations.

As for what techniques work best, I don't believe anyone can tell you.  all 
you need to do is gather suggestions and  try them yourself.  Everyone's 
job, abilities are different.  I hate the NFB white cane by the way.  I like 
mine which has a rolling tip.  I feel more independent and safe with it.   I 
love and agree with Julie's email response.  I am visually impaired and I 
have a toolkit.  I use MAGic on the screen with voice for the computer, my 
cctv for  filling out forms or reading mail and  if it's light reading I use 
my high powered reading glasses or 10X magnifier.  To get places however I 
have use  the same skills as a totally blind person for the most part 
because I cannot scan or otherwise read signs with  special equipment.  I am 
no techie and cannot afford any kind of cellphone, tablet etc., so I don't 
know what's going to be of use for me.

Ericka

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Today's Topics:

   1. app recommendations (Sarah)
   2. Re: app recommendations (Ari Damoulakis)
   3. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
      blind. (Mark Tardif)
   4. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
      blind. (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
   5. Re: app recommendations (Judy Jones)
   6. FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell
      the world in our video (Humberto Avila)
   7. Re: FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you?
      Tell the world in our video (mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo)
   8. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
   9. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
      blind. (Kendra Schaber)
  10. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
  11. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
      blind. (Kendra Schaber)
  12. Re: app recommendations (Kendra Schaber)
  13. Re: app recommendations (christopher nusbaum)
  14. Re: Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who are
      blind. (christopher nusbaum)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:18:05 -0600
From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
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Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or 
employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not 
accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking 
notes? Thank you.
    Sarah


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:08:40 +0200
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Hi Sarah
I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
faster.
Ari

On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
> notes? Thank you.
>     Sarah
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:04:19 -0500
From: "Mark Tardif" <markspark at roadrunner.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
who are blind.
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Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention, particularly a
national convention.  You will meet all kinds of people and probably hear
about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use and
come back feeling really stimulated.  It's fun, it's informative,
life-changing.

Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message----- 
From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are
blind.

nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"

On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
> organizations.  Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some people
> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
> corrected.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who
> are blind.
>
> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>
> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong.  I found
> it
> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
> because
> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that there
> was
> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.  So
> it
> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds.  When I lived in Florida,
> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem to
> be
> such a major issue.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judy Jones
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
> are
> blind.
>
> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more
> proactive.
> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social organization,
> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the membership.
> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not sure
> if
> this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
> predominant.
>
> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>
> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent
> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When
> I
> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized how
> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
> organization in any way I can.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
> are
> blind.
>
>
>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>
>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>
>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>> Optacon.
>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who
>>> are blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I also
>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling
>>>>out
>>>>
>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>> spatial
>>>>relationships.
>>>>
>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options
>>>> or
>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>> some
>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use of
>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>
>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>> CCTV
>>>>
>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best.
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need
>>>> to
>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to
>>>> do
>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one tool.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>> tasks
>>>>
>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means.
>>>> I'm
>>>>
>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 17:10:50 -0500
From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
who are blind.
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eyes on success!

On 2/4/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Yes, I agree with Judy, you must try to get to a convention, particularly 
> a
>
> national convention.  You will meet all kinds of people and probably hear
> about all kinds of alternative techniques those of us who are blind use 
> and
>
> come back feeling really stimulated.  It's fun, it's informative,
> life-changing.
>
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:46 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who 
> are
>
> blind.
>
> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>
> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>> organizations.  Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>> people
>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>> corrected.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are blind.
>>
>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>
>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong.  I found
>> it
>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>> because
>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that there
>> was
>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.  So
>> it
>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds.  When I lived in Florida,
>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem to
>> be
>> such a major issue.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Judy Jones
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more
>> proactive.
>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social organization,
>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the membership.
>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not sure
>> if
>> this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>> predominant.
>>
>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>
>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent
>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When
>>
>> I
>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized how
>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>> organization in any way I can.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>>
>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>
>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>> Optacon.
>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I
>>>>> also
>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling
>>>>>out
>>>>>
>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>> spatial
>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options
>>>>> or
>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>> some
>>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use
>>>>> of
>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>
>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best.
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need
>>>>> to
>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to
>>>>> do
>>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>> tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>> tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindtlk mailing list
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>>>
>>> --
>>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>>
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> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
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> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
konker never fear. try try try agan.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:04 -0700
From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
Message-ID: <034D5FA90FA64E1D91C490B226C2113E at JudyPC>
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What do you all think about Office-Squared?

Judy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations


> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
> notes? Thank you.
>    Sarah
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 18:27:03 -0800
From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, <blindTlk at nfbNet.org>, <GUI-talk at nfbNet.org>,
<nfbcs at nfbNet.org>, <nfbWaTlk at nfbNet.org>, <nfb-talk at nfbNet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped
you? Tell the world in our video
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
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Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the world in
our video

Hello to all NVDA users,

We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would love
NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you know,
has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear from
you. Here's what you need to do:

(1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera, camcorder,
smart phone, tablet, or PC.

(2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.

(3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
product than a vertical shot.

(4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us with
a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.

(5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can file
share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
(5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as possible
within reason.

Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about our
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:38:48 -0500
From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: GUI-talk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nfbWaTlk at nfbnet.org,
nfb-talk at nfbnet.org, nfbcs at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] FW: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA
helped you? Tell the world in our video
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hello question? can i type in text? my testemoneyal for nvda? NVDA?
has change the way i use a talking pc!

On 2/4/13, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org
> [mailto:nvda-announce-bounces at lists.nvaccess.org] On Behalf Of NVDA
> announcement list
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:50 PM
> To: nvda-announce at lists.nvaccess.org
> Subject: NVDA screen reader News: How has NVDA helped you? Tell the world
> in
> our video
>
> Hello to all NVDA users,
>
> We are making a video to help promote the work we do, and we would love
> NVDA users all over the world to take part. If you, or someone you know,
> has had their life greatly enhanced by NVDA, we would love to hear from
> you. Here's what you need to do:
>
> (1) Organise for someone to film you on their digital camera, camcorder,
> smart phone, tablet, or PC.
>
> (2) Ask the camera operator to place the camera on a steady surface so
> it doesn't wobble around too much, if possible.
>
> (3) If filming on a smart phone or tablet, please place the screen
> horizontally while filming as this will work better with the final
> product than a vertical shot.
>
> (4) Record your testimonial - start by stating your name and country,
> then please explain how NVDA has impacted on your life. Please be
> succinct. You may speak in English or in your native language. If you
> speak in your native language, it is a bonus if you can provide us with
> a written translation into English that we can use for subtitles.
>
> (5) The bigger the file size, the better the quality, so if you can file
> share your videos on a website like Dropbox.com and send us the link
> that would be great. For smaller files under 25MB you may be able to
> email them to us. Please email to an account we have set up especially
> for this purpose: nvda.video at gmail.com
> (5) we will endeavour to include as many of the testimonials as possible
> within reason.
>
> Thank you so much for your support. Please stay tuned for news about our
> soon-to-be-created Youtube channel.
>
> Please consider donating to NV Access to support NVDA's continued
> development:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/wiki/Donate
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new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
konker never fear. try try try agan.



------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 21:07:01 -0800
From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
Message-ID: <59CBC424CF28410E98C47B85CA5E15BC at your90477e8f53>
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I've heard that an app called Pages is a good one. I have not tried it
myself. One of my friends who also has an iphone told me about it.
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ari Damoulakis" <aridamoulakis at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations


Hi Sarah
I know my view might not be too popular because I know many people
love mainstream integration, but I think, if you are a braille user a
traditional notetaker is still the best. First, you can type much
faster because you type in contracted braille. You can actually also
do that on an IPhone if you have a braille display with a keyboard,
but I'm also not happy with the word processors, as far as I know
there isn't a really accessible and friendly office solution for blind
people. Also the calendar. You can use the IPhone calander, but I
think the blind notetaker ones are much faster, so it is better for
education because you can put dates of assignments and things much
faster.
Ari

On 2/4/13, Sarah <sarahandfamily at live.com> wrote:
> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
> notes? Thank you.
>     Sarah
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:55:55 -0800
From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
who are blind.
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In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB does
igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB is. I have
seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the political
battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost spectacularly.
Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB of Oregon tends to
minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually minds their own
business.
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are
blind.


> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more
> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social
> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather than
> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably together,
> but am not sure if this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the
> NFB is predominant.
>
> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>
> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent
> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When
> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized
> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
> organization in any way I can.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
> are blind.
>
>
>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>
>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>
>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>> Optacon.
>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>> who
>>> are blind.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I also
>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling
>>>>out
>>>>
>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>spatial
>>>>relationships.
>>>>
>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options
>>>> or
>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>> some
>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use of
>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>
>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>> CCTV
>>>>
>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best.
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need
>>>> to
>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to
>>>> do
>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one tool.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>> tasks
>>>>
>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means.
>>>> I'm
>>>>
>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> 1love keep us together. Chikodinaka &Happyness's old theem song. our
>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:57:47 -0800
From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
Message-ID: <1D8CDDABEC034B87B6EA1DA1530343C4 at your90477e8f53>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
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I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on the
notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in utillities.
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations


> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>
>
>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
>> notes? Thank you.
>>    Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
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>>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:25:41 -0800
From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
who are blind.
Message-ID: <A56FF5AD992847B4AC0F1CE230AED6A0 at your90477e8f53>
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I have been to the NFB national convention in Detroit, Michigan in 2009. The
convention was awesome! You get to learn about the latest in technology,
blindness techniques, laws that we are trying to fix or introduce, hore
stories, insparitional stories and so on. There are a zillion activities
that you get to pick from each day. You won't want to miss out on the
banquit. At the banquit, you get to hear Mark Maurer speak and see many
awards get presented. Going to one NFB convention is worth it even if you
never get to go to another one. By the way, for those Ravens fans out there,
go Ravens!!!
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who are
blind.


> nfb convvention? i never been whut is it like"
>
> On 2/3/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Then there appears to be some confusion about belonging to both
>> organizations.  Frankly I found it rather strange when I heard some
>> people
>> talking about belonging to both, so, Cheryl, thank you, and I stand
>> corrected.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:30 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are blind.
>>
>> No you cannot belong to both and definitely no to being an officer
>>
>> Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently it is fine to belong to both organizations, but I think you
>> cannot be officers of both, and please correct me if I'm wrong.  I found
>> it
>> amazing that you could belong to both organizations for a long time,
>> because
>> for many years I lived in Connecticut, where it seemed to me that there
>> was
>> much friction and even some hostility between the two organizations.  So
>> it
>> seemed to me impossible to live in both worlds.  When I lived in Florida,
>> however, I found that being a member of both organizations didn't seem to
>> be
>> such a major issue.
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Judy Jones
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:16 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more
>> proactive.
>> My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social organization,
>> leaving main decisions to their board members rather than the membership.
>> In some states both organizations work amicably together, but am not sure
>> if
>> this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, the NFB is
>> predominant.
>>
>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>
>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent
>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When
>> I
>> learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized how
>> much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the
>> organization in any way I can.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" <happychikao at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who
>> are
>> blind.
>>
>>
>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>
>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the
>>>> Optacon.
>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I
>>>>>also
>>>>>use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the moment
>>>>>depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, filling
>>>>>out
>>>>>
>>>>>a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>>handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with
>>>>> spatial
>>>>>relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options
>>>>> or
>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have
>>>>> some
>>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use
>>>>> of
>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the
>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>
>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best.
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need
>>>>> to
>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to
>>>>> do
>>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one
>>>>> tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these
>>>>> tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 00:10:26 -0800
From: "Kendra Schaber" <Baltimore777 at comcast.net>
To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
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Hi Sarah, there is the notes app and voice memmo that you can use to take
notes that is, if you don't want to take notes on a braille note taker.
There is also the new Braille Touch app which the full version allows you to
copy and paste notes into any other app on your iphone.
Kendra
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:18 AM
Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations


> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or
> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not
> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking
> notes? Thank you.
>    Sarah
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 06:58:36 -0500
From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
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I haven't heard of the office square app either. What is it and what does it 
do?

Chris Nusbaum

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On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't know about Office Square. I know that you can take notes on the 
> notes app on the iphone and also use the voice memmo app in utillities.
> Kendra
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>
>
>> What do you all think about Office-Squared?
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:18 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] app recommendations
>>
>>
>>> Good afternoon. What are some accessible apps to use in an education or 
>>> employment setting? I have the ?Pages? app but some parts of it are not 
>>> accessible. Is a traditional notetaker still the best option for taking 
>>> notes? Thank you.
>>>   Sarah
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:29:00 -0500
From: christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids
who are blind.
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I think that is the case in most states. Those who have been on this
list for a while will probably remember my positions on the two
organizations working together. Many times on this list, I tried to
suggest that the two organizations work together on issues affecting
all of us, since I thought that we were both working toward the same
goals. I argued that the internal "Civil War" 50 years ago shouldn't
affect  relations between the two organizations today. As I learned
more about both organizations and what they stood for, I realized that
this could not happen anytime soon. Now, I find myself agreeing with
what NFB is for the most part doing: doing our own thing and letting
ACB do theirs. If we all can work together on some issues, I'm all for
that. But partnership is a two-way street, and unless ACB is really
willing to come together, I think we should just leave them alone. I
do know one thing for sure: although I try to stay informed about what
the ACB is doing, I personally choose the Federation.

Chris Nusbaum

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On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Kendra Schaber <Baltimore777 at comcast.net> wrote:

> In Oregon, the NFB is the more active orgunization of the two. The ACB 
> does igzist but as I understand it, they are less active than the NFB is. 
> I have seen both orgunizations fight side by side in issues like the 
> political battle over the Oregon School for the Blind which we lost 
> spectacularly. Outside of the big issues like that one, we at the NFB of 
> Oregon tends to minds our own business and the ACB of Oregon usually minds 
> their own business.
> Kendra
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who 
> are blind.
>
>
>> This is a very good question.  In my experience, the NFB is more 
>> proactive. My understanding, too, is that the ACB is more of a social 
>> organization, leaving main decisions to their board members rather than 
>> the membership. In some states both organizations work amicably together, 
>> but am not sure if this is true in all states.  In our state of Idaho, 
>> the NFB is predominant.
>>
>> Anyone on list, please correct my perceptions if necessary.
>>
>> Year ago, the reason my choice was for the NFB is that I saw independent 
>> proactive people, was impressed with the literature and leadership.  When 
>> I learned of the rich history of blind people as a minority, I realized 
>> how much I'd taken for granted, and want to give back what I can to the 
>> organization in any way I can.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo" 
>> <happychikao at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight,seeing through the eyes of kids who 
>> are blind.
>>
>>
>>> hello whut is the drifence of nfb (and acb)i am a member of nfb &i
>>> love it i wont to bee a memberrof a c b. but is it o k?
>>>
>>> On 1/31/13, Judy Jones <jtj1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Julie,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you used the CCTV the way an Optacon user uses the 
>>>> Optacon.
>>>> That makes total sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Out Of Sight, seeing through the eyes of kids 
>>>> who
>>>> are blind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am one of those people with pretty low vision who uses a CCTV.  I 
>>>>> also
>>>>> use JAWS, Voice Over and Braille.  which option I choose for the 
>>>>> moment
>>>>> depends a lot on what I need to get done. There are simply some things 
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> are more easily accomplished using the CCTV, looking at graphs, 
>>>>> filling out
>>>>>
>>>>> a simple form not immediately available electronically, reading a
>>>>> handwritten note, looking at complex tables and other things with 
>>>>> spatial
>>>>> relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do wonder if the young lady on the program had a toolbox of options 
>>>>> or
>>>>> if she was stuck using the CCTV for everything because she did have 
>>>>> some
>>>>> vision.  I think there needs to be balance, options and the best use 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the right tool for the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking each file out of the filing cabinet to read it's label on the 
>>>>> CCTV
>>>>>
>>>>> would be incredibly cumbersome, Braille works better.  Reading a
>>>>> handwritten police ticket at work is best accomplished with the CCTV.
>>>>> Writing client reports works best with JAWS.  And when I do classroom
>>>>> presentations I use my i Pad with Voice Over, an old Braille Note or
>>>>> sometimes hard copy Braille, depending on which I feel will work best. 
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> do carry a portable magnifier with me though because sometimes I need 
>>>>> to
>>>>> access printed stuff on the fly and that is the easiest way for me to 
>>>>> do
>>>>> it.  I can't imagine trying to get all of this done with only one 
>>>>> tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I understand that there are non visual ways of doing these 
>>>>> tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> and I'm not disputing the usefulness or effectiveness of those means. 
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>
>>>>> just saying that for me sometimes using the CCTV works.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> new theem song is no one bee like you used on 12-24-2011. ObianujuIf i
>>> had my way i will change my wife's mittle name2Obianuju! if you try
>>> you will seg-seed. try try try agan. for if you persevear. you will
>>> konker never fear. try try try agan.
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