[Blindtlk] Off Topic - Accessible places on the net for LGBTQ individuals?

Fri Feb 22 02:59:18 UTC 2013

Hi, Diane,

Me too! My partner is Black and Filipino and, I am in Berkeley, 
California a short distance from where the Panthers were founded at 
Oakland'sMerrit College in 1966 by Herry P. Nuton and Bobbie Sealle 
who wrote a fantastic book (in case you remain uninitiated) called 
_Soul on _Ice, a series of raw-styled essays that delve deeply into 
the Black sensibility, and other layers of Black make-up. However, it 
is important  to resist the zoo animal effect, which effects us blind 
people sometimes, "Oh, see how blind people do such and such," I have 
found it is serves my needs just to be reasonably familiar with the 
subject matter, but ever so quietly, behind the scenes.
Stuff you know can help in explaining patterns you could have 
noticed, just for your own edification. _Soule on _Ice is great, as 
is the autobiography of Malcolm X. Listen also to Gil Scott Haron. 
Perhaps, since I recall seeing somewhere your being a blastomite, we 
oughta talk? My number is 408-209-3239 and I am in Berkeley, California.
Call any time, day or night. :47 PM 2/21/2013, Diane Graves wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>I see what you are saying. Actually, I am now married, to a black man.
>However, if, God forbid, I ever found myself on the dating scene again, I
>honestly don't know if I would expand or not.
>
>The black men and their persona has just always been  the ones that make me
>stand up and take notice. My heart is really into the black culture.
>
>Diane Graves
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
>Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:24 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Off Topic - Accessible places on the net for LGBTQ
>individuals?
>
>     I'm wondering Diane that you mentioned a preference towards african
>american males right? I can see how you relate on blatened discrimination
>that is where you and I agree cause I feel more akined to immigrants than
>fellow americans. Ironically in America that many americans have such high
>standards sometimes that they feel like you being disabled that your
>unworthy of their company or time. Likewise the elderly are treated this way
>even though the asian society isn't like this as readily. Finally, do you
>think your opinions would change meeting someone of another race like asians
>or hispanics with the same demeanor as african americans or is it the
>physical aspect more so than the psychological or the balance in general?
>
>     The reason why I posed the above doubt to consider is that I don't want
>you to be limited on who you can date or not cause of past runs ins of
>certaian racial minorities or your own race, etc. I choose not to limit my
>options cause have dated: hispanic, african american, south korean, and
>caucasian people in the past that all had pluses and minuses. Much
>gravitates around socioeconomic levels coupled with education not race as
>much. My last boyfriend was black, but my next boyfriend will be something
>different perhaps hispanic or something or asian even better. Oh, my God
>like their skin tone is gorgeous isn' it the asians I mean? Do you think
>that a caucaisian red haired fem boy like me and a asian would match good or
>what? I'd like to totally get a girls prospective on this.
>
>
>hugs,
>Peter a.k.a Emily sometimes
>
>On 2/20/13, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ari, Peter, and All,
> >
> > Let me first emphasize the fact that I am not gay, so perhaps I have
> > no right to speak here. However, I really wouldn't think that
> > recognizing this attraction as a totally blind person would be any
> > different whether you are gay or straight.
> >
> > Those of us who are totally blind and heterosexual, know what we like
> > and know what we don't. We go by voices, the companionship we prefer,
> > things we have in common, and a number of other factors. Even being
> > totally blind, we have body types that we prefer, and once you get to
> > know a person you typically get a general idea of their body type. Are
> > they tall, are they short, overweight or thin, muscular or slight, long
>hair or short,  etc.
> >
> > For example, I am a totally blind white woman who, for as far back as
> > I can remember, has always preferred or gravitated toward black men. I
> > have always been attracted to the voices, by the confident way that
> > they carry and present themselves, and a number of other
> > characteristics. I also think that I have always felt a kin to the
> > African American race because I, myself, have experienced blatant
> > discrimination.
> >
> > I don't think any of these factors would be different if you were
> > totally blind and gay. You really don't need sight to determine what you
>like/want.
> >
> > Diane Graves
> >  most anything that
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> > Wolfe
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:48 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Off Topic - Accessible places on the net for
> > LGBTQ individuals?
> >
> > Ari,
> >
> >
> >     After a few replies on list, it appears that much of the
> > challenges are innergenerational like racism of the past. An older
> > fella said that his father hated either gays or blacks, so he was
> > probably double wammed with dating a guy of color and being gay
> > himself. There are still inclusion issues in the gay community as a
> > whole towards the blind and much of the other disability community for
> > that matter that I'd attest to as well. This is no different than for
> > being blind of any group just that gay men and women open up more
> > readily than the normal population even though some are steadfast into
> > preferences like race, etc. Lastly, much of what you face presumedly
> > being hetrosexual is about the same as if you would be whether you
> > were in or outside of the closet now! BTW: I'm not fully out in public
>though.
> >
> >
> > hugs,
> > Peter a.k.a Emily sometimes
> >
> > On 2/20/13, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ari,
> >>
> >>
> >>     Thanks for the online resource cause you can never have too many
> >> right? Well, I cannot fully answer your question because I wasn't
> >> born blind nor have ever had a blind partner before. HOwever, if you
> >> didn't midnd that I quoted your material with keeping your name
> >> anonymous on the Yahoo Gay e-mail list for which I'm already a member
> >> on their impressions of your question. Unless your a closeted gay you
> >> wouldn't mind and you probably aren't so it doesn't matter nyhow.
> >> I'll report to you on this same thread as the results pore in.
> >>
> >>
> >> hope this helps,
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On 2/20/13, Ari Damoulakis <aridamoulakis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi Peter
> >>> There's also a group called Queerability, just search on Google. I
> >>> also know of a mailing list for blind LGBT people.
> >>> You join by sending an email to
> >>> blind-gay-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
> >>> I just have a question, its just something I'm curious about.
> >>> I have known blind LGBT people, but many of them had their sight
> >>> when they realised their sexual orientation, that they were
> >>> attracted to the same sex.
> >>> I'm curious to know, how do totally blind people who are born gay
> >>> realise it and then start adjusting, is it much more of a difficult
> >>> process to go through than a sighted person goes through?
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Ari
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cordially,
> >> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> >> cum laude Auburn University
> >> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> >> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> >> Peter Q Wolfe
> >> "Stand up for your rights"
> >> Bob Marley
> >>
> >
> >
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> > Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> > cum laude Auburn University
> > e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> > "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> > Peter Q Wolfe
> > "Stand up for your rights"
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>Cordially,
>Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>cum laude Auburn University
>e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>"If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>Peter Q Wolfe
>"Stand up for your rights"
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