[Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 79, Issue 13

Fri Jan 18 20:36:13 UTC 2013

notetakers are not dead yet but  the operating system is very old.

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>    1. Re: product advice (Judy Jones)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:47:01 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
> Message-ID: <629FF4ECE3BF41DCB99711D6D3F4B9CB at JudyPC>
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> I agree whole-heartedly with what you're saying.  I have a Braille Lite and
>
> think they're the best thing since sliced bread.  I do believe companies
> will be getting away from manufacturing note takers and going toward the
> displays.  I don't like that idea either.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
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>>I respectfully disagree. IMO Braille support on iOS devices, while
>>wonderful
>> and adequate, is nowhere *near* as good as is the support on dedicated
>> note-takers such as the BrailleNote family or the Braillesense family.
>> Just
>> as one example, there's no word processor I know of useable on i-devices
>> that allows one to go from beginning to end of document with one
>> keystroke
>> on the Braille keyboard nor can one easily search a screen, let alone a
>> document, for text. What *is* super-cool and makes the iOS Braille
>> support
>> usable is that the cursor-routing buttons work correctly.
>>
>> Bottom line: to my way of thinking, despite what techies younger than
>> thirty-five say, there's no way Braille support under iOS comes up to the
>> standard of, say, a Braille Lite (Yes, I know; people under thirty-five
>> may
>> not remember them!).
>>
>> I'd sell the crown jewels for a Braille Lite emulator app on an iPhone.
>>
>> Note-takers ain't dead yet.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
>> Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is my understanding that eventually note takers will become a thing of
>> the past.  Freedom Scientific is pushing their displays, for instance,
>> and
>> their Pac mate hasn't had a platform upgrade in quite a while.  From that
>> company the Focus 14 Blue works well in the applications and devices
>> mentioned.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:53 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>>
>>> Good morning. I am considering purchasing a Braille display I can use
>>> with
>>
>>> my iPhone and a pc running jaws or a notetaker. I would like information
>>> from anyone that uses a Braille Sense product such as the U2 or OnHand,
>>> an
>>
>>> Apex, or a refreshable Braille display. Will notetakers soon become
>>> obsolete since many people now use I devices with a Braille display?   I
>>> would like a product that works well with I devices, one I can easily
>>> take
>>
>>> notes, and for use to read brf files from Bookshare. Thank you, and feel
>>> free to email me off list.
>>>    Sarah
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:47:37 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
> Message-ID: <9812BAD27D2448C19CF1C54FBD2AC940 at JudyPC>
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> That's true, it was around that time.
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
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>>I think the Pac Mate's last update was either 2009or 2010. I am not
>>positive
>> though.
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
>> Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 16:36
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is my understanding that eventually note takers will become a thing of
>> the past.  Freedom Scientific is pushing their displays, for instance,
>> and
>> their Pac mate hasn't had a platform upgrade in quite a while.  From that
>> company the Focus 14 Blue works well in the applications and devices
>> mentioned.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:53 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>>
>>> Good morning. I am considering purchasing a Braille display I can use
>>> with
>>
>>> my iPhone and a pc running jaws or a notetaker. I would like information
>>> from anyone that uses a Braille Sense product such as the U2 or OnHand,
>>> an
>>
>>> Apex, or a refreshable Braille display. Will notetakers soon become
>>> obsolete since many people now use I devices with a Braille display?   I
>>> would like a product that works well with I devices, one I can easily
>>> take
>>
>>> notes, and for use to read brf files from Bookshare. Thank you, and feel
>>> free to email me off list.
>>>    Sarah
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:48:13 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
> Message-ID: <9158332DA679487F87866848CB85C3D0 at JudyPC>
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> I' M with Mike, I love the Braille Lite!!!
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>
>
>>I know I enjoy the Pac Mate.
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 17:28
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> I respectfully disagree. IMO Braille support on iOS devices, while
>> wonderful
>> and adequate, is nowhere *near* as good as is the support on dedicated
>> note-takers such as the BrailleNote family or the Braillesense family.
>> Just
>> as one example, there's no word processor I know of useable on i-devices
>> that allows one to go from beginning to end of document with one
>> keystroke
>> on the Braille keyboard nor can one easily search a screen, let alone a
>> document, for text. What *is* super-cool and makes the iOS Braille
>> support
>> usable is that the cursor-routing buttons work correctly.
>>
>> Bottom line: to my way of thinking, despite what techies younger than
>> thirty-five say, there's no way Braille support under iOS comes up to the
>> standard of, say, a Braille Lite (Yes, I know; people under thirty-five
>> may
>> not remember them!).
>>
>> I'd sell the crown jewels for a Braille Lite emulator app on an iPhone.
>>
>> Note-takers ain't dead yet.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
>> Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:36 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is my understanding that eventually note takers will become a thing of
>> the past.  Freedom Scientific is pushing their displays, for instance,
>> and
>> their Pac mate hasn't had a platform upgrade in quite a while.  From that
>> company the Focus 14 Blue works well in the applications and devices
>> mentioned.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:53 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>>
>>> Good morning. I am considering purchasing a Braille display I can use
>>> with
>>
>>> my iPhone and a pc running jaws or a notetaker. I would like information
>>> from anyone that uses a Braille Sense product such as the U2 or OnHand,
>>> an
>>
>>> Apex, or a refreshable Braille display. Will notetakers soon become
>>> obsolete since many people now use I devices with a Braille display?   I
>>> would like a product that works well with I devices, one I can easily
>>> take
>>
>>> notes, and for use to read brf files from Bookshare. Thank you, and feel
>>> free to email me off list.
>>>    Sarah
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:52:48 -0700
> From: "Judy Jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
> Message-ID: <462BE3970D3A4ACEAF8FEE84D6394A76 at JudyPC>
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> I'm not wild about the Pac mate and will use the Braille Lite as long as I
> can.
>
> I have another spin-off to the question:  Which of the note takers out there
>
> operates and behaves most like the Braille Lite?  As much as I hate it, I
> need to be evaluating products in preparation for the day when the braille
> lite can no longer be repaired or supported by FS.
>
> Judy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>
>
>> Gloria and all,
>>
>> I wouldn't go with the PacMate were I you. Not only was the last
>> update a few years ago as Gloria said, but the PacMate is running an
>> operating system (Windows Mobile) which has been abandoned by Microsoft
>> for
>> (I believe) two years now. If you are buying a dedicated notetaker, I
>> would
>> go with either the BrailleNote Apex or one of the Sense notetakers. There
>>
>> is
>> also the new Braille Plus 18 from APH, which is a notetaker which runs
>> the
>> Android operating system and therefore supports many Android apps. Not
>> sure
>> what the price is on the Braille Plus, but I'd imagine it's still
>> relatively
>> expensive. I would advise you (Sarah) to look at your options and the
>> prices
>> of those options and decide what you want to purchase or whether you want
>>
>> to
>> buy a notetaker at all.
>>
>> Mike, I agree with you. Despite all my complaints about Humanware
>> and the BrailleNote, notetakers still have their place and I use mine
>> regularly (although not for as much as I used to.) Regarding your comment
>> about Braille support for iOS, there is in fact a way I have found to go
>> from the beginning of a text to the end of it using a Braille display or
>> a
>> notetaker. If my cursor is in the text field, I do the Braille equivalent
>>
>> to
>> a double-tap command (space with 3-6 on the BrailleNote.) This puts the
>> insertion point at the end of the document, which would be the equivalent
>>
>> of
>> double-tapping on a text field (when it is editing) on the touch screen.
>> I
>> hope this helps!
>>
>> Good luck in making your decision,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria
>> Whipple
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:30 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> I think the Pac Mate's last update was either 2009or 2010. I am not
>> positive
>> though.
>>
>> Gloria Whipple
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Judy
>> Jones
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 16:36
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It is my understanding that eventually note takers will become a thing of
>> the past.  Freedom Scientific is pushing their displays, for instance,
>> and
>> their Pac mate hasn't had a platform upgrade in quite a while.  From that
>> company the Focus 14 Blue works well in the applications and devices
>> mentioned.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:53 AM
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] product advice
>>
>>
>>> Good morning. I am considering purchasing a Braille display I can use
>>> with
>>
>>> my iPhone and a pc running jaws or a notetaker. I would like
>>> information from anyone that uses a Braille Sense product such as the
>>> U2 or OnHand, an
>>
>>> Apex, or a refreshable Braille display. Will notetakers soon become
>>> obsolete since many people now use I devices with a Braille display?   I
>>> would like a product that works well with I devices, one I can easily
>>> take
>>
>>> notes, and for use to read brf files from Bookshare. Thank you, and
>>> feel free to email me off list.
>>>    Sarah
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