[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Thu Mar 21 14:52:25 UTC 2013

Justin, Ray and others,

     I agree with an under graduate degree that your prospects of
employment are usually general in nature not in any particular skill
set. This also forms more problems than it actually solves as you can
imagine for people like me! I've already attended the World Services
for the Blind's IRS assessment for the sixty words per minute and Jaws
training weren't for me. You see my right hand constantly shakes and
so impart that I had a temporary lapse of a two day alcohol binge
cause of not having medical insurance to cover adaquate counseling and
perscription as I was in another state uninsured and all.

    I'd like to acknowledge something that Ray is saying his adversion
to the World Services for the Blind in Little Rock, Arkansas. I'll
speak objectively and fairly that no NFB member would find that
program satisfactory to their standards even though NFB individuals
attend the program. The whole training is programmed with everybody
treated like automotons like robots or something. Everyone is treated
like children without your own mind nor your own accessible
enhancementes put into consideration just their way or no way is the
moto there. Be prepared to be constantly tested, having unecessary
meetings and be never listened to on flexible times to use the down
stairs rooms unless they say that is it. Out of thirteen applicants
just t four remain out of the whole thing that is it.

On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> Wouldn't  touch that place with a 1000 meeter pole.  I'd suggest the
> Louisiana Center For The Blind.
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:32 AM, "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You are probably going to do something not related.  You could go to the
>> training at world blind services in Arkansas and train with the irs.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Wolfe
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:12 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>> Ray and others,
>>
>>
>>    Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The problem Ray is
>> that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a bachelors of arts
>> in
>> political science with the federal government.
>> sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I can do
>> being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the NFB
>> subdomains
>> and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and talked to political
>> scientists who are blind just not at my level of under graduate
>> experience.
>> Some are either devoid of under graduate experience with graduate work
>> experience or just of another time or place or finally transfered to
>> other
>> skill sets entirely into my field. I guess this work experience could
>> shine
>> some light on what I could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at
>> this point. Any ideas from you guys would be really cool!
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ray and all,
>> Peter
>> p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple just for
>> work
>> its pc
>>
>> On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>> You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other people
>>> have said, you can think it to death and never really find a solution.
>>> Here's my advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or
>>> need to do.  You will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now,
>>> once you have that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.
>>> For some, it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still
>>> others, neither will do.  You will never find fully comprehenceive
>>> tutorials for everything all laid out for you in one place.  At least,
>>> I don't think so.  Forget being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna
>>> happen.  So, take the advice I gave you to start with above and see
>>> where
>> that takes you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>>> blind built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>
>>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my existing
>>>> screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary for entry level
>>>> for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws instead? I'm always
>>>> puzzling on tutorials of my former screen reader cause they are
>>>> partial or completely devoid of adaquate detail examples to
>>>> professions with endorsements or whatever for proper context. I know
>>>> that Internal Revenue Service or Social Security like the Department
>>>> of Defense use the CAP office that usually recommends Jaws screen
>>>> reader so logic says to go with it instead of existing technology.
>>>> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
>>>> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
>>>> focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
>>>> recommend in this situation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just that
>>>> I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I swerar one
>>>> of the things that I hate being blind is that too much emphasis is on
>>>> what assistive technology can do not what can't do. I'd prefer a
>>>> comprehensive report or tutorial on all the things sighted
>>>> individuals can do and what we can't being blind. Simple as a former
>>>> sighted person that I'd appreciate this view much more than this
>>>> muddy waters approach that just confuses the daylights out of
>>>> everything for me. I also tire of the Federations dream-like
>>>> imagination that blind folks can do everything cause simply this
>>>> isn't true like in programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot
>> do anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm thoroughly
>>>> confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to quit cause of
>>>> being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your approaches of
>>>> encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my fragile self-esteem
>>>> cause that is something blind people like me are in low supply of at
>>>> the moment. I'm schedule for a three month job in a few months in
>>>> town for temporary work experience so just want a job. I just don't
>>>> know how best to go about it that is it. Since how I wasn't born
>>>> blind that my patience is much more thinner in this technical jargon
>>>> or way of thinking than you are accustomed to being blind your whole
>>>> life or whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming
>>>> from my prospective on this subject.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>>> Peter Q Wolfe
>>>> "Stand up for your rights"
>>>> Bob Marley
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>> Cordially,
>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> cum laude Auburn University
>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
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-- 
Cordially,
Peter Q Wolfe, BA
cum laude Auburn University
e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
"If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
Peter Q Wolfe
"Stand up for your rights"
Bob Marley