[Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

Fri Mar 22 14:33:57 UTC 2013

I am happy. I've never had vision.  But I'd still take vision if I could get
it with minimal risk.  I can do whatever I want buddy.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
Schulz
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:55 AM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

hi,

that's not the correct answer.
you are supposed to be happy with learning to adapt and not wish to have
vision restored.
Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum

> What's wrong with medical research. Hell, at some point, I want to be able
> to see if possible.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Wolfe
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:37 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>
> Bryan,
>
>
>    What is wrong with bringing up medical research? I don't understand the
> connatation to me that it gives me hope even if I don't see the end result
> of it. I don't see the controvercies of taboos of anything on online 
> forums
> and all.
>
> On 3/22/13, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> oh man, you opened another can of worms there.
>> you may have been better off to spew a five minute string of swear
>> words instead of mentioning medical research.
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Training with screen readers conundrum
>>
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>>
>>>    The irony David is thtat I picked poli sci cause of the job
>>> security with the federal government for disabled workers. I truly
>>> wanted to be a computer scientist but since how that I didn't know
>>> nemeth code that I didn't pursue that field. I keep telling myself
>>> with the University of Miami NEI research that perhaps within five or
>>> more years that my vision could return, then I can pursue a field in
>>> the STEM fields. I personally hate the social sciences cause there is
>>> no real benchmarks so everyone disagrees on opinions not facts as
>>> much. So, I'm stuck with this degree like lots of normal students
>>> cause wanting job security not cause that I'd like it. Lastly, I'm
>>> not the best communicater just that I have a passion for counseling
>>> and for the time being that would be nice to do.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Anyone have any ideas on a poli sci doing counseling in the
>>> government? I'm thinking of financial aid advisor at a college or
>>> something. Perhaps I can do this cause the chief financial advisor at
>>> my university had a ph.d in historyr and theology degree not finance
>>> at all. I really would like to work with a domestic battery shelter,
>>> child abuse victims or financial management. I'd appreciate any ideas
>>> cause not sure of a general scope of what to do. Thanks for pointing
>>> out the obvious cause that is causing barriers in how to think aboutt
>>> professional life post-college. By the way, wish that more blind
>>> people would do more internships in their sophomore, junior and
>>> senior years cause this more than academics helps more than academics by
> far.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 3/22/13, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Peter, you need to decide what it is that you want to do, then
>>>> figure out how a blind guy can do it.  You are approaching it from
>>>> -- what  job can a blind guy do and what jobs do you have from a
>>>> blind guy.  If you get something you probably won't be happy because
>>>> it wasn't what you want to do.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 09:12 AM 3/21/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>Ray and others,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thank you for replying to my message on this issue. The problem
>>>>>Ray is that I don't have any idea of what I'll be doing with a
>>>>>bachelors of arts in political science with the federal government.
>>>>>sure I know of what a poli sci professional does just not what I can
>>>>>do being blind and all is able to do at work. I've been to the NFB
>>>>>subdomains and profesional bios and AFB's Mentor connect and talked
>>>>>to political scientists who are blind just not at my level of under
>>>>>graduate experience. Some are either devoid of under graduate
>>>>>experience with graduate work experience or just of another time or
>>>>>place or finally transfered to other skill sets entirely into my
>>>>>field. I guess this work experience could shine some light on what I
>>>>>could do with my degree just seems kind of bleak at this point. Any
>>>>>ideas from you guys would be really cool!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Ray and all,
>>>>>Peter
>>>>>p.s: I own a I-Phone 4s and might transfer personally to Apple just
>>>>>for work its pc
>>>>>
>>>>>On 3/21/13, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> > You are way over thinking the issue here.  Like Dave and other
>>>>> > people have said, you can think it to death and never really find
>>>>> > a
>>>>> solution.  Here's my
>>>>> > advice.  Stop it.  then, ask yourself what you most want or need
>>>>> to do.  You
>>>>> > will find this narrows it down pretty fast.  Now, once you have
>>>>> > that, find out what tools will best meet your needs.  For some,
>>>>> > it's windows-for others, like me, it's the Mac.  For still
>>>>> > others, neither will
>>>>> do.  You will
>>>>> > never find fully comprehenceive tutorials for everything all laid
>>>>> > out for you in one place.  At least, I don't think so.  Forget
>>>>> > being spoon-fed everything.  It ain't gonna happen.  So, take the
>>>>> > advice I gave
>>>>> you to start
>>>>> > with above and see where that takes you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
>>>>> > the blind built-in!
>>>>> > Sincerely,
>>>>> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Peter Wolfe <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Dear NFB Talk Members,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>    Would I be better off to better familarize myself with my
>>>>> >> existing screen reader Window-Eyes or learn what is necessary
>>>>> >> for entry level for federal liberal arts career track e.g. Jaws
>>>>> >> instead? I'm always puzzling on tutorials of my former screen
>>>>> >> reader cause they are partial or completely devoid of adaquate
>>>>> >> detail examples to professions with endorsements or whatever for
>>>>> >> proper context. I know that Internal Revenue Service or Social
>>>>> >> Security like the Department of Defense use the CAP office that
>>>>> >> usually recommends Jaws screen reader so logic says to go with
>>>>> >> it instead of existing technology.
>>>>> >> Maybe I should just focus purely on Jaws from scratch on their
>>>>> >> tutorials at a state rehabilitation center or individually, then
>>>>> >> focus on existing screen reader Window-Eyes or what would you
>>>>> >> recommend in this situation?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>    I know this sounds like I'm over thinking the situation just
>>>>> >> that I've been dealing with this for years on this problem. I
>>>>> >> swerar one of the things that I hate being blind is that too
>>>>> >> much emphasis is on what assistive technology can do not what
>>>>> >> can't do. I'd prefer a comprehensive report or tutorial on all
>>>>> >> the things sighted individuals can do and what we can't being
>>>>> >> blind. Simple as a former sighted person that I'd appreciate
>>>>> >> this view much more than this muddy waters approach that just
>>>>> >> confuses the daylights out of everything for me.
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> also tire of the Federations dream-like imagination that blind
>>>>> >> folks can do everything cause simply this isn't true like in
>>>>> >> programming that isn't true anymore than they cannot do anything.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>    Thanks for any and all advice on this subject cause I'm
>>>>> >> thoroughly confused on what to do. I tire so much just want to
>>>>> >> quit cause of being discouraged on the list in some ways. Your
>>>>> >> approaches of encouragement aren't what I'm accustomed to on my
>>>>> >> fragile self-esteem cause that is something blind people like me
>>>>> >> are in low supply of at the moment. I'm schedule for a three
>>>>> >> month job in a few months in town for temporary work experience
>>>>> >> so just want a job. I just don't know how best to go about it
>>>>> >> that is it. Since how I wasn't born blind that my patience is
>>>>> >> much more thinner in this technical jargon or way of thinking
>>>>> >> than you are accustomed to being blind your whole life or
>>>>> >> whatever. Thank you for understanding how I feel and coming from
>>>>> >> my prospective on this subject.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thank you,
>>>>> >> Peter Q wolfe, BA
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Cordially,
>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>> Peter Q Wolfe
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> --
> Cordially,
> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> cum laude Auburn University
> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> Peter Q Wolfe
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