[Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

Mon Mar 25 01:01:49 UTC 2013

I'm not quite sure how to respond to your version of logic accept to
challenge you to consult that dictionary again. The word "consumer" does not
refer to someone who is nonproductive or isn't expected to produce.

I have heard insurance providers, the medical profession and any number of
other service providers refer to their patrons as "consumers." 

If I go shopping at Wal-Mart, I am most commonly referred to as a customer,
but might also be referred to as a consumer.

Diane Graves

Diane Graves

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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
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Diane,

    Do you know anything in business like in the sense of terms? My family
has owned three business with numerous contractual and business ventures and
this consumer vs producer relationship is unique the disabled community. In
a normal business, you are considered a customer meaning that you consum but
assume the producer element with that status as well. A consumer title is
meant to degrade and defile the blind to a status that assumes that we never
have produce, won't produce or will find great difficulty in producing in
the process of being trained or being hired and even employed. Yes, the
client is a perminent relationship with a counselor like case management
that is of a hierarchical nature not of what I speak about in general terms
at all. Alas, I'd mention that linking the two consumer and producer more
described than in Consumer reports that is to say that certain populations
need protection that implies a status to it. In our case, we don't have the
freedom of being disabled or not, so I could quote numerous rehabilitation
staff whether in Washingtion D.C in Washington Center, E.H Gentry Technical
Facility in Talladega Al or Lion's World Center in Little Rock Ark with this
philosophy and that isn't just limited to those institutions by no means.
BTW: I've also lived in Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and have worked in SBA and
Red Stone Arsonal as well.

On 3/23/13, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Blind people are considered consumers in this arena because they are 
> being provided a service. That service may be blindness skills 
> training or it may be educational services. It may also be job placement.
>
> Whatever the case may be, they are clients/consumers. The words are 
> one in the same. An attorney, for example might choose to call his 
> clients consumers of his services.
>
> If a sighted person applies for financial aide to go to school, they 
> are a consumer.
> The word consumer doesn't mean that you aren't producing or can't produce.
> I
> challenge you to find a dictionary definition which links the two
concepts.
>
> Diane Graves
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Wolfe
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:43 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>
>    Why are blind people considered consumers in much of rehabilitation?
> They
> aren't producers, therefore, they are deemed inferior even by fellow 
> blind professions who work at such facilities.
> Sorry the whole conversation is besides the point just a reason to 
> demean someone of another opinion. I'm an atheist-agnostic, so view 
> things in another paradigm than that of yourself in that way. I'm 
> looking at everything extremely logical to a fault that is to say 
> deductive logic not inductive logic as much.
>
>
> sincerely,
> Peter
>
> On 3/23/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Diane,
>>
>> Absolutely, one hundred percent spot on!!!
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diane Graves
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:14 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>>
>> Good Evening,
>>
>>
>>
>> For days I have been overwhelmed by the sizable discussion thread on 
>> "Adjustment to blindness training NFB Centers Or Not," and I admit to 
>> having deleted a good number of the messages without reading, so I 
>> apologize in advance if I missed some things. I changed the subject 
>> line on purpose, just in case there were others doing the same.
>> However, tonight I am up late baking and have read a number of the 
>> posts, and feel compelled to share my sentiments on a few things, or 
>> the facts as I see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all, I'll say, very respectfully, that there is one 
>> participant in the discussion who has me very confused. On one hand I 
>> hear him saying that we in the federation need to "wake up and smell 
>> the coffee" and accept the fact that blindness does make us inferior.
>> On the other hand, this same individual is saying that we need to 
>> come together to fight discrimination against the blind. If you, 
>> yourself, believe that you are inferior, then why should society stop 
>> discriminating? In fact, how can they stop discriminating? Why should 
>> employers hire us, and lessen that 70% unemployment rate, if we 
>> aren't equal to our sighted counterparts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Secondly, I'll just say that the notion that NFB believes that one 
>> size fits all is ludicrous. There are no two blind people that are a 
>> like any more than there are two sighted people who are exactly alike.
>> There are sighted people who are excellent construction workers, who 
>> do not have the people skills business prowess and any number of 
>> other skills necessary to be the CEO of a corporation.  That CEO  
>> might not have the athletic prowess to fight his way out of a cardboard
box.
>> That doesn't make either one of them inferior. They're just different.
>>
>>
>>
>> The statement that all blind people need to accept the fact that they 
>> can't perform any number of given tasks, is, indeed, arrogant. We are 
>> just as varied in our abilities as the sighted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a dual disability in that I am not only totally blind, but 
>> also have a significant hearing impairment. Therefore, there are a 
>> number of blind people who can run circles around me in the mobility 
>> arena, simply because they have the benefit of that good hearing. The 
>> fact that I have trouble at times, doesn't mean that they face the 
>> same drawbacks and that their skills are not excellent and far above
mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, I am an avid Braille reader, and much prefer 
>> Braille to any other media, whereas there are other blind people who 
>> prefer to listen to tapes and recorded books. My hearing is good 
>> enough that I could certainly use audiobooks if I chose too. I just 
>> get more out of a book when actively reading it myself. Some of those 
>> people with the superb mobility skills may not have the same prowess 
>> in Braille that I do. We are all different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Freeman and Gary Wunder are both skilled in the area of computer 
>> programming, and, I suspect, could give sighted programmers a run for 
>> their money. I, on the other hand am strictly a computer user. Start 
>> talking about programming and you've lost me immediately. The fact 
>> that I can't do it, doesn't mean that they're not experts in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't know if this is making sense or not, but again, on one hand I 
>> hear this person  telling us that we are a cookie cutter 
>> organization, while at the same time cutting his own cookies by 
>> telling us that we are all severely limited.
>>
>>
>>
>> In our organization we have liberals and we have conservatives. We 
>> have Christians and we have atheists. We have people who are athletes 
>> and those who are out of shape and proud of it. Lol We have any 
>> variation that you could think of. What unites us is our desire and 
>> our intent to fight the discriminatory barriers which face the blind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I'm not going to tell you that I've never known a federationist 
>> who believed that there was only one way of doing things and one 
>> standard as it relates to blindness skills. But that isn't the mantra 
>> of the organization at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to "stop dreaming" then that is your choice. But you 
>> can't take my dreams.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
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