[Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

Mon Mar 25 01:41:41 UTC 2013

Mike,


    What is for dinner? I just disagree with the labels of disabled
people or in fact the world disabled in the first place. What is
fundamentally broken by a blind person? I don't like handicapped,
disabled, consumer, client or any of it. I'd rather have participant
or customer would be okay as well just not consumer. It implies a
causality that and it reduces you to a number.


    First and foremost that we're all individuals right? I've had a
local taxi company in Auburn of my former college city call me "Blind
Pete". Can you imagine how enraged that they wouldn't change me for
two years just tcontiniously calling me "Blind Pete" even saved in
their contacts as that name too. Its like people attempt to turn you
into a object that dcan be treated less than a normal homo sapien.
Anyone else with similar experiences? This drives me insaine that way
don't usually ever gets to me but lately not as easy to do.


Thanks,
Peter

On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> Peter:
>
> You're obsessing about the word "consumer" too much. In using that word,
> both rehab and most blind persons merely mean a designation of someone
> receiving services and, if we are honest, it's also a way to avoid the word
> "client" which some of us hate. Frankly, I don't care what you call me as
> long as you call me for dinner. (grin) Our state department of services for
> the blind calls those whom it serves "customers".
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Wolfe
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:43 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>
>    Why are blind people considered consumers in much of
> rehabilitation? They aren't producers, therefore, they are deemed
> inferior even by fellow blind professions who work at such facilities.
> Sorry the whole conversation is besides the point just a reason to
> demean someone of another opinion. I'm an atheist-agnostic, so view
> things in another paradigm than that of yourself in that way. I'm
> looking at everything extremely logical to a fault that is to say
> deductive logic not inductive logic as much.
>
>
> sincerely,
> Peter
>
> On 3/23/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Diane,
>>
>> Absolutely, one hundred percent spot on!!!
>>
>> Mark Tardif
>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diane Graves
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:14 PM
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>>
>> Good Evening,
>>
>>
>>
>> For days I have been overwhelmed by the sizable discussion thread on
>> "Adjustment to blindness training NFB Centers Or Not," and I admit to
>> having
>> deleted a good number of the messages without reading, so I apologize in
>> advance if I missed some things. I changed the subject line on purpose,
>> just
>> in case there were others doing the same. However, tonight I am up late
>> baking and have read a number of the posts, and feel compelled to share
>> my
>> sentiments on a few things, or the facts as I see them.
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all, I'll say, very respectfully, that there is one participant
> in
>> the discussion who has me very confused. On one hand I hear him saying
> that
>> we in the federation need to "wake up and smell the coffee" and accept
>> the
>> fact that blindness does make us inferior. On the other hand, this same
>> individual is saying that we need to come together to fight
>> discrimination
>> against the blind. If you, yourself, believe that you are inferior, then
>> why
>> should society stop discriminating? In fact, how can they stop
>> discriminating? Why should employers hire us, and lessen that 70%
>> unemployment rate, if we aren't equal to our sighted counterparts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Secondly, I'll just say that the notion that NFB believes that one size
>> fits
>> all is ludicrous. There are no two blind people that are a like any more
>> than there are two sighted people who are exactly alike. There are
>> sighted
>> people who are excellent construction workers, who do not have the people
>> skills business prowess and any number of other skills necessary to be
>> the
>> CEO of a corporation.  That CEO  might not have the athletic prowess to
>> fight his way out of a cardboard box.  That doesn't make either one of
> them
>> inferior. They're just different.
>>
>>
>>
>> The statement that all blind people need to accept the fact that they
> can't
>> perform any number of given tasks, is, indeed, arrogant. We are just as
>> varied in our abilities as the sighted.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a dual disability in that I am not only totally blind, but also
> have
>> a significant hearing impairment. Therefore, there are a number of blind
>> people who can run circles around me in the mobility arena, simply
>> because
>> they have the benefit of that good hearing. The fact that I have trouble
> at
>> times, doesn't mean that they face the same drawbacks and that their
> skills
>> are not excellent and far above mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, I am an avid Braille reader, and much prefer Braille
>> to
>> any other media, whereas there are other blind people who prefer to
>> listen
>> to tapes and recorded books. My hearing is good enough that I could
>> certainly use audiobooks if I chose too. I just get more out of a book
> when
>> actively reading it myself. Some of those people with the superb mobility
>> skills may not have the same prowess in Braille that I do. We are all
>> different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Freeman and Gary Wunder are both skilled in the area of computer
>> programming, and, I suspect, could give sighted programmers a run for
> their
>> money. I, on the other hand am strictly a computer user. Start talking
>> about
>> programming and you've lost me immediately. The fact that I can't do it,
>> doesn't mean that they're not experts in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't know if this is making sense or not, but again, on one hand I hear
>> this person  telling us that we are a cookie cutter organization, while
>> at
>> the same time cutting his own cookies by telling us that we are all
>> severely
>> limited.
>>
>>
>>
>> In our organization we have liberals and we have conservatives. We have
>> Christians and we have atheists. We have people who are athletes and
>> those
>> who are out of shape and proud of it. Lol We have any variation that you
>> could think of. What unites us is our desire and our intent to fight the
>> discriminatory barriers which face the blind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I'm not going to tell you that I've never known a federationist who
>> believed that there was only one way of doing things and one standard as
> it
>> relates to blindness skills. But that isn't the mantra of the
>> organization
>> at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to "stop dreaming" then that is your choice. But you can't
> take
>> my dreams.
>>
>>
>>
>> Diane Graves
>>
>>
>>
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> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> cum laude Auburn University
> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
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Cordially,
Peter Q Wolfe, BA
cum laude Auburn University
e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
"If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
Peter Q Wolfe
"Stand up for your rights"
Bob Marley