[Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

Fri Mar 29 05:33:15 UTC 2013

Wow man.  Wow.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Freeman
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:49 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

I suggest that it's time to move on and leave Peter to ponder profound
philosophical questions such as what is the sound of one hand clapping!

Mike Freeman

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:05 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents

You know Peter, I'm going to pile on here by agreeing both with Bonnie and
Dian.  We all seem to be saying pretty much the same thing.  You have, to
put it frankly, a victim complex.  Just because some of us might perhaps
disagree with you, you say we're attacking you.  You say this is tipicle of
NFB  members.  You say that blindness makes life very hard.  Frankly, in
your case, I do not think it's blindness:  rather, it's purpetial
victimhood.  You seem always to be looking to be the victim of somebody
somewhere.  We try to help.  We try to understand.  You take our efforts for
more making you a victim.  IF you think the entire world is out to make you
a victim, you will be a victim:  but, in such a case, you are a victim by
your own choice-not our's.  We're not the ones making a victim out of
you-you are.  
Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Mar 29, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> For whatever it may be worth, I don't believe anyone here has ever said
that
> "no one agreed with you." There may very well be people who do agree with
> your statements/observations. But the fact that I may not always agree,
does
> not mean that I am bullying or attacking you. It doesn't mean that your
> feelings aren't valid based on your own experiences. It simply means that
we
> have different views. 
> 
> And... as for my "cookie cutter" observation, I will attempt to explain
> that.
> 
> Several times you have emphatically stated that blindness does make life
> harder, and keeps us from truly being equal to the sighted. There are
those
> of us who don't believe that to be true.  Everytime someone disputes your
> observation, you tell them that they are wrong or accuse them of attacking
> you. You tell them that they are not living in reality. You then go on to
> say that this is typical of the NFB members. 
> 
> So, you are forcing us into one mold, and if we don't fit your mold and
> stand up and say that, then we are attacking you. I have to say that your
> offensive attitude has me feeling a bit attacked.
> 
> This is all I intend to say on the subject. Think what you think, and do
> what you do.
> 
> Diane Graves
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Wolfe
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> 
> Gary,
> 
> 
> 
>    I've been bullied on the unfounded allogations that nobody agrees with
> me on my positions. I've also been bullied on self-sufficiency even if not
> openly just implied by their comments. I'm a very sensitive person so
> perhaps in this regard that I'm percieving the intent in the wrong light.
> However, I just don't communicate with others or interact with them the
same
> as the masses either.
> Compounding this that I think so differently because of being a minority
of
> being part of the LGBTQ umbrella that I just can't relate with the social
> nuisances too. Sorry just this is the way that I am not the cookie cutting
> participant on this or other issues.
> 
> 
> sincerely,
> Peter
> 
> On 3/28/13, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi, Peter. Perhaps I have missed an important part of this thread, but 
>> where have you been bullied on?  I believe you would agree that Frank 
>> discussion is not the same as bullying.  Neither is difference of 
>> opinion.  The word bully has taken on much more significance today 
>> than it once had.  When one makes the charge today, it is a serious 
>> one.
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
>> Wolfe
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:30 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>> 
>> Diane,
>> 
>> 
>>    I merely stated rational deductive logic to a inductive opinion 
>> that is it. I don't see anything offensive especially in lue that she 
>> assumed that nobody agreed with me. Its impossible to know whether 
>> that is the case or not that would be the generalization fallacy. I'm 
>> being bullied on cause I'm the only one with his own mind on the 
>> subject. If nobody would disagree on another issue, then nobody will 
>> learn anything at all of the other side. I won't be silenced by the 
>> mob mentality that prevades this country not me.
>> 
>> 
>> sincerely,
>> Peter
>> 
>> On 3/27/13, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> Let me first say that I apologize if my message the other night 
>>> offended you in any way. That was certainly not my intention. I was 
>>> simply expressing my confusion, my opinion. You are not the only one 
>>> with the right to do that, neither are you the only one with the 
>>> right to respect.
>>> 
>>> I hear a lot of talk about others attacking you, but I see you freely 
>>> disparaging others who happen to disagree with you.
>>> 
>>> I think it might do you well to look at the "logics class" of which 
>>> you speak. I don't feel that that insult to Bonnie was warranted at 
>>> all. If you don't want criticism, then give others the same respect
>> please.
>>> 
>>> Diane Graves
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Peter Wolfe
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:41 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>>> 
>>> Bonnie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Have you ever taken a logics claass? Apparently you haven't cause 
>>> in Aristotlian syllagism that you commited several fallacies in your 
>>> argument towards me that isn't true. The argument goes: all NFB Talk 
>>> people are diverse. Someone disagrees, therefore, no one disagrees 
>>> with someone cause of being different. I'd strongly recommend you 
>>> read a logics or computer programming book cause your statements are 
>>> illogical to the extreme. Some people agree with me not openly but 
>>> some
>> people agree with me in reality.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> see ya,
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> On 3/27/13, Bonnie Ainsworth <bainsworth65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> All Diane was doing (at least as I saw it) is pointing out how 
>>>> diversity we
>>>> 
>>>> have in in NFB.  We're all different, and some of us all have 
>>>> different skills, views, and the like.  I didn't interpret that she 
>>>> was attacking you
>>>> 
>>>> in any way.  If you do, than it's your own perception, and not that 
>>>> of anyone else.  Now I'll crawl back under my rock.  Enough said.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:31 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Diane,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    Thanks for pointing me out to your possy on the NFB-Talk list 
>>>> that is quite becoming of NFB insulated double-speak. I rise to the 
>>>> defense to acknowledge the positive statements that I've already 
>>>> mentioned in prior posts that are commendable and worthy of mention.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cordially,
>>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>>> cum laude Auburn University
>>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>>> Peter Q Wolfe
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>> 
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
>> cum laude Auburn University
>> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
>> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
>> Peter Q Wolfe
>> "Stand up for your rights"
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> 
> --
> Cordially,
> Peter Q Wolfe, BA
> cum laude Auburn University
> e-mail: yogabare13 at gmail.com
> "If you don't stand up for something your willing to fall for anything"
> Peter Q Wolfe
> "Stand up for your rights"
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