[Blindtlk] Happy Holidays NFB Family was my 2 cents

[David Andrews]

Peter, you are doing what you accuse us of -- making assumptions 
about what what you think we are or aren't.  First, there are 
hundreds of us on this list alone, and thousands in the NFB, and we 
are all different.

And ... for what it is worth, I drove a car, while drunk before you 
were even born.

I am getting perilously tired of your passive aggressive, self 
serving, victim hood, and am about to toss you off the list if you 
don't cut it out.  You don't seem to hear a thing we say.

David Andrews, Moderator

At 06:26 AM 3/30/2013, you wrote:
>     I'm completely mistaken on what my aspirations are on all things
>just cause I'm a realist not an idealist like lots or perhaps the
>majority on list. I've done stuff on here that none of you would even
>attempt to try like being in a car and driving it drunk for example.
>Was that smart no but something that I did thatt guarnteed that none
>of you have done. I have done lots of crazy things that none of you
>would even get close to in a million years so am not feeling bad for
>myself not all of the time. Actually I have goals of going abroad in a
>years time to Canada and perhaps to England not that long afterwards.
>
>
>     I'd like to point out that I've been overseas, lived in fifty or
>more cities, and used all forms of transportation except submarine
>travel that includes inner city rail as well for all those who know
>the original fear of feeling like a piece of bologna between two
>movign fast objects. I'd also like to say that I've created a charity
>that still exists for disinfranchized individuals called the "Angry
>American Pig" that same piggy bank is still at the location where the
>charity started. Thirdly, I am in the process of looking for
>employment so if anyone wwants to help me just e-mail me with any
>ideas for entry level jobs with the fed for a liberal arts graduate.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>
>On 3/30/13, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Exactly Constance!
> > I lost a lot in the past years to illness and NFB has been more of a family
> > to me then my own.
> > I picked myself up, dusty myself and started all over again.  I think that
> > is a song, now it is not getting out of my head.
> > Happy Holidays to my NFB family and to Peter.
> > Hope you find what you are looking for whether you are with us or not.
> > God Bless.
> > Your sister in the NFB
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >
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> >
> >> From: satin-bear at sbcglobal.net
> >> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:45:58 -0500
> >> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >>
> >> I would have written something sooner, but have been engrossed in March
> >> Madness.  You see, Peter, this just proves our diversity.  Some of us are
> >> sports fanatics and some are not.  Some of us are liberal and some are
> >> conservative.  I really think that if you spent as much time trying to
> >> improve your life and looking for a job as you do feeling sorry for
> >> yourself, you would be the most over-paid CEO in the country.  There are
> >> lots of things you can do if you put your mind to it.  Having just lost
> >> two close friends at young ages, I know that life is too short to do
> >> nothing except feel sorry for yourself.  Get out there and live.
> >>
> >> Constance Canode
> >> Sent from my I-phone
> >>
> >> On Mar 29, 2013, at 12:33 AM, "justin williams"
> >> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wow man.  Wow.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> >> > Freeman
> >> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:49 PM
> >> > To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >
> >> > I suggest that it's time to move on and leave Peter to ponder profound
> >> > philosophical questions such as what is the sound of one hand clapping!
> >> >
> >> > Mike Freeman
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray
> >> > Foret
> >> > Jr
> >> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:05 PM
> >> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >
> >> > You know Peter, I'm going to pile on here by agreeing both with Bonnie
> >> > and
> >> > Dian.  We all seem to be saying pretty much the same thing.  You have,
> >> > to
> >> > put it frankly, a victim complex.  Just because some of us might
> >> > perhaps
> >> > disagree with you, you say we're attacking you.  You say this is tipicle
> >> > of
> >> > NFB  members.  You say that blindness makes life very hard.  Frankly,
> >> > in
> >> > your case, I do not think it's blindness:  rather, it's purpetial
> >> > victimhood.  You seem always to be looking to be the victim of somebody
> >> > somewhere.  We try to help.  We try to understand.  You take our efforts
> >> > for
> >> > more making you a victim.  IF you think the entire world is out to make
> >> > you
> >> > a victim, you will be a victim:  but, in such a case, you are a victim
> >> > by
> >> > your own choice-not our's.  We're not the ones making a victim out of
> >> > you-you are.
> >> > Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
> >> > blind
> >> > built-in!
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> > The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> > Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> >> >
> >> > On Mar 29, 2013, at 7:22 PM, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Peter,
> >> >>
> >> >> For whatever it may be worth, I don't believe anyone here has ever
> >> >> said
> >> > that
> >> >> "no one agreed with you." There may very well be people who do agree
> >> >> with
> >> >> your statements/observations. But the fact that I may not always
> >> >> agree,
> >> > does
> >> >> not mean that I am bullying or attacking you. It doesn't mean that
> >> >> your
> >> >> feelings aren't valid based on your own experiences. It simply means
> >> >> that
> >> > we
> >> >> have different views.
> >> >>
> >> >> And... as for my "cookie cutter" observation, I will attempt to
> >> >> explain
> >> >> that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Several times you have emphatically stated that blindness does make
> >> >> life
> >> >> harder, and keeps us from truly being equal to the sighted. There are
> >> > those
> >> >> of us who don't believe that to be true.  Everytime someone disputes
> >> >> your
> >> >> observation, you tell them that they are wrong or accuse them of
> >> >> attacking
> >> >> you. You tell them that they are not living in reality. You then go on
> >> >> to
> >> >> say that this is typical of the NFB members.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, you are forcing us into one mold, and if we don't fit your mold
> >> >> and
> >> >> stand up and say that, then we are attacking you. I have to say that
> >> >> your
> >> >> offensive attitude has me feeling a bit attacked.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is all I intend to say on the subject. Think what you think, and
> >> >> do
> >> >> what you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> Diane Graves
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> >> > Wolfe
> >> >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:05 PM
> >> >> To: gwunder at earthlink.net; Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >>
> >> >> Gary,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>   I've been bullied on the unfounded allogations that nobody agrees
> >> >> with
> >> >> me on my positions. I've also been bullied on self-sufficiency even if
> >> >> not
> >> >> openly just implied by their comments. I'm a very sensitive person so
> >> >> perhaps in this regard that I'm percieving the intent in the wrong
> >> >> light.
> >> >> However, I just don't communicate with others or interact with them
> >> >> the
> >> > same
> >> >> as the masses either.
> >> >> Compounding this that I think so differently because of being a
> >> >> minority
> >> > of
> >> >> being part of the LGBTQ umbrella that I just can't relate with the
> >> >> social
> >> >> nuisances too. Sorry just this is the way that I am not the cookie
> >> >> cutting
> >> >> participant on this or other issues.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> sincerely,
> >> >> Peter
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/28/13, Gary Wunder <gwunder at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi, Peter. Perhaps I have missed an important part of this thread, but
> >> >>>
> >> >>> where have you been bullied on?  I believe you would agree that Frank
> >> >>>
> >> >>> discussion is not the same as bullying.  Neither is difference of
> >> >>> opinion.  The word bully has taken on much more significance today
> >> >>> than it once had.  When one makes the charge today, it is a serious
> >> >>> one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Warmly,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gary
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wolfe
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:30 PM
> >> >>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Diane,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   I merely stated rational deductive logic to a inductive opinion
> >> >>> that is it. I don't see anything offensive especially in lue that she
> >> >>>
> >> >>> assumed that nobody agreed with me. Its impossible to know whether
> >> >>> that is the case or not that would be the generalization fallacy. I'm
> >> >>>
> >> >>> being bullied on cause I'm the only one with his own mind on the
> >> >>> subject. If nobody would disagree on another issue, then nobody will
> >> >>> learn anything at all of the other side. I won't be silenced by the
> >> >>> mob mentality that prevades this country not me.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> sincerely,
> >> >>> Peter
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 3/27/13, Diane Graves <princess.di2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> Peter,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Let me first say that I apologize if my message the other night
> >> >>>> offended you in any way. That was certainly not my intention. I was
> >> >>>> simply expressing my confusion, my opinion. You are not the only one
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> with the right to do that, neither are you the only one with the
> >> >>>> right to respect.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I hear a lot of talk about others attacking you, but I see you freely
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> disparaging others who happen to disagree with you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I think it might do you well to look at the "logics class" of which
> >> >>>> you speak. I don't feel that that insult to Bonnie was warranted at
> >> >>>> all. If you don't want criticism, then give others the same respect
> >> >>> please.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Diane Graves
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> >>>> Peter Wolfe
> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:41 PM
> >> >>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bonnie,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>   Have you ever taken a logics claass? Apparently you haven't cause
> >> >>>> in Aristotlian syllagism that you commited several fallacies in your
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> argument towards me that isn't true. The argument goes: all NFB Talk
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> people are diverse. Someone disagrees, therefore, no one disagrees
> >> >>>> with someone cause of being different. I'd strongly recommend you
> >> >>>> read a logics or computer programming book cause your statements are
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> illogical to the extreme. Some people agree with me not openly but
> >> >>>> some
> >> >>> people agree with me in reality.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> see ya,
> >> >>>> Peter
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 3/27/13, Bonnie Ainsworth <bainsworth65 at windstream.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Peter,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> All Diane was doing (at least as I saw it) is pointing out how
> >> >>>>> diversity we
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> have in in NFB.  We're all different, and some of us all have
> >> >>>>> different skills, views, and the like.  I didn't interpret that she
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> was attacking you
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> in any way.  If you do, than it's your own perception, and not that
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> of anyone else.  Now I'll crawl back under my rock.  Enough said.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> From: "Peter Wolfe" <yogabare13 at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:31 PM
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] My 2 Cents
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Diane,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>   Thanks for pointing me out to your possy on the NFB-Talk list
> >> >>>>> that is quite becoming of NFB insulated double-speak. I rise to the
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> defense to acknowledge the positive statements that I've already
> >> >>>>> mentioned in prior posts that are commendable and worthy of
> >> >>>>> mention.