[Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17

Sat May 18 02:17:47 UTC 2013

Gary:

Heck; just sit on 'em; let 'em judge your weight for themselves! Yee haw!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wunder
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:32 AM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17

I wonder how many of the questions that are taboo really should be. Should I
be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say no. If I
were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you should be
apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am, I answer. If I'm
asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why they want to know and then
decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my weight less a
subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel guilty about one
and think I had no control over the other?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wogg le4
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17

It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.

For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the question
right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it shows really
bad manners.

I mean, it is "respectable" to have a bank account - I doubt anyone is
traumatized by having one but I trust none of you would dream of
asking a stranger their bank balance for example!

It is not a question of trauma or embarrassement, it is a question of
courticy, a question of some (not by any means all) people not
affording the same respect that they would to anyone else about a
range of subjects.

ps I of course dealt with the question in a way with which I was
comfortable - but as I was bored on a train, I thought the question
worth raising.

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>    1. People How Asking How one Became Blind (wogg le4)
>    2. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
>    3. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jim Portillo)
>    4. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Kelby Carlson)
>    5. a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
>    6. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Gloria Whipple)
>    7. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Michelle Medina)
>    8. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
>    9. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Kelby Carlson)
>   10. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
>   11. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Desiree Oudinot)
>   12. Re: Washing,	How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running in The
>       Washing Machine (Judy jones)
>   13. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
>   14. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Cindy Handel)
>   15. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
>   16. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
>   17. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Desiree Oudinot)
>   18. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jasmine Kotsay)
>   19. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Jasmine Kotsay)
>   20. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (dp)
>   21. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Ray Foret Jr)
>   22. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Ray Foret Jr)
>   23. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
>   24. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Sean Paul)
>   25. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com>
> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID:
> 	<CANR8ovC7RXXR1UUhyHj3bQYbBn2wBBBYj3ReD73KF4dRdFm4_A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:03:53 -0700
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <8785EB94-6D76-4723-BAB2-ECBC0E0D3E6E at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:08:27 -0700
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <51956702.8300450a.7362.1d89 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
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> Right on!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:04 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
> for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
> a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:11:30 -0500
> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <519567b5.0903320a.5994.6784 at mx.google.com>
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>
> I've always found it funny the way people are so petrified of
> offending you when they ask you about your blindness.  I honestly
> can't recall a time when I've truly been upset when someone asks
> for information.  People love to ask me about my eyes, my
> technology, and (more than everything else) my dog.  Actually,
> I'll take the above statement back-the questions about the dog
> get irritating after awhile, but not because they're personal,
> it's just that they get asked so very often.  Nonetheless, I
> really don't mind answering people's questions.  As much as I
> think people should self-educate about a lot of things, not
> everyone is going to, so every bit of education and "good press"
> we can get out there helps us.
>
> Kelby
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:03:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask.
> Frankly, I don't understand why so many of us get hung up about
> this or why many of us think this is so personal.  After all, if
> we truly believe that it is respectable to be blind, then we
> should just be able to answer the question without emotional
> trauma or angst.  We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us.  I should think that what
> is true for kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start
> a conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your
> blindness because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied
> with.  After all, we are a minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
> don't
>  know one very well.  Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
>  I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> think
>  it appropriate in the particular context.
>
>  this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> wondered
>  about this all the time she knew me.
>
>  I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
> I'm
>  currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
> to
>  make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult -
> she
>  really is an annoying individual.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:14:06 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <27200D8784B143BC97ED8080AA80CC64 at DanaPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>
> Primarily we are in 20?s thirties and forties and if you want to meet that
> special someone come on in and chat with us
> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
> Dana
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:23:48 -0700
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <000001ce528c$6c8a8700$459f9500$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> It sure doesn't bother me one bit! I tell kids of grownups to ask them.
>
> Gloria Whipple
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 16:04
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
> for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
> a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:23:58 -0400
> From: Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Is this 7 days a week or 1 day a week? Is it Christians or just any
> blind person?
> Thank you,
> Chelle
>
> On 5/16/13, Dana <dananolan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Primarily we are in 20?s thirties and forties and if you want to meet
>> that
>> special someone come on in and chat with us
>> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
>> Dana
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:29:26 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <514EE625DC744D01811C90ECA3E63589 at DanaPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> all kidns of people 7 days a week evenings is when we are busiest.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:33:33 -0500
> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <51956ce0.882b320a.5408.64bc at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Guys, this looks like spam.
>
> Kelby
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:29:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
>
> all kidns of people 7 days a week evenings is when we are
> busiest.
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:37:22 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <77DB213B4E9244DAA2AC121D0F423F86 at DanaPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=response
>
> No no it is not spam we are truly a bunch of mostly blind peole who come
to
>
> chat and I figured some of you might like a place to meet some new people.
> I am a blind girl living in Virginia.
> Dana
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:47:15 -0400
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAC7+D=xgjOn-durcRSM_Aomgb+UYcWSNuAGbibzWApndAeUmRA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi,
> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> became blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew
> someone like that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was
> blinded), I can see how one might not want to talk about something
> like that with strangers. Even veterans might have this problem if
> their war injuries caused them to lose their sight. In other words, I
> can see both sides of this. I think you should only tell people what
> you're comfortable telling them. If how you became blind is something
> highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have to reveal that to
> everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go around displaying
> our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by most to be
> undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
> you, there's no shame in talking about it.
>
> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:53:45 -0600
> From: "Judy jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing,	How to Avoid Colours in Clothes
> 	Running in The Washing Machine
> Message-ID: <ED5D80156A124631927F0A244D2ED867 at Judy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> Hi,
>
> My washing methods are very similar, reds always separate, new things by
> them selves a few times.  Hand washing especially delicates, go in warm,
on
>
> light wash, and then hang dry.  Is easy to do in our dry climate.  If you
> "handwash" with gentle soap, like a hand soap, don't use too much because
of
>
> the agitation and too many bubbles to form.
>
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing,How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running in
> The Washing Machine
>
>
>>I do something similar, only I wash everything in cold water. And I have
>> several things I don't dry or only dry for a few minutes. If I have a lot
>>
>> of
>> red, or new red things, I wash them separate. I've found that even things
>> that say hand wash, mostly can be safely washed in the machine, but then
>> I
>> don't dry those at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean
>> Paul
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:33 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing, How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running
>> in
>> The Washing Machine
>>
>> Never heard that called the college method, but, yes, remembering back to
>> those days. I can see where that'd fit. I call that the batchler method &
>> even though I'm married now & have been for years. I do all the laundry
>> round here & for the most part still use that method.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 07:25
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing,How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running
>> in
>> The Washing Machine
>>
>>
>>> Plain white vinegar will help a lot to keep colors from bleeding.  Soak
>>> a
>>> new garment in vinegar for a few hours or overnight before washing.
>>> Some
>>> of the new dye may still come out, so it's important to wash with like
>>> colors. Red seems to be the worst for bleeding into other colors.  I
>>> wash
>>> new red clothes with other reds if I have enough or dark jeans or towels
>>> if I don't. My towels are navy blue, so if the red colors them it won't
>>> be
>>
>>> noticeable.
>>>
>>> I don't buy a lot of new clothes, so mostly I use the college dormitory
>>> method of washing...I cram everything into the washer together, jeans,
>>> socks, colored shirts and wash it all on regular warm water wash and
>>> cold
>>> rinse.  99% of the time this method works just fine.  I'm not a fancy
>>> person though.  I don't have a bunch of delicates or clothes that can't
>>> go
>>
>>> in the dryer.  I'm careful with new clothes for a few washes and then
>>> after that I go with the easiest method. I used to do separate loads for
>>> jeans, colors, whites etc.  I will do that now if I'm going to bleach
>>> the
>>> whites or something, but honestly I haven't noticed any difference
>>> between
>>
>>> separating everything and the college method.  At least not for clothes
>>> that I've had for a while.
>>>
>>> If I know I've spilled something on the item I treat it with a stain
>>> removal product and wash as usual.  After it comes out of the wash I'll
>>> ask a sighted person to make sure the stain came out before wearing.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:50:02 -0700
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,	Blind Talk Mailing
> 	List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130516174819.021fa358 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Hi, Mike,
>
> Sing it, my brother in bi blastoma!
> for today, Car04:03 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask.
>>Frankly, I don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this
>>or why many of us think this is so personal. After all, if we truly
>>believe that it is respectable to be blind, then we should just be
>>able to answer the question without emotional trauma or angst. We
>>are always telling kids to ask about blindness rather than shy away
>>from us. I should think that what is true for kids should be so for
>>adults also.
>>Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
>>conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your
>>blindness because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with.
>>After all, we are a minority.
>>Relax and just go with the flow.
>>
>>Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>> >
>> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> > it appropriate in the particular context.
>> >
>> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> > about this all the time she knew me.
>> >
>> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> > really is an annoying individual.
>> >
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:25:48 -0400
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5A31269C2FBF4D1EB325BBED8AF388EC at CindyPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> 	reply-type=original
>
> Well, I think people are just curious.  But, if you don't want to share
this
>
> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
> uncomfortable talking about it.
>
> Cindy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wogg le4
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:42:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <015201ce52b8$ebb87ec0$c3297c40$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
> is
> respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
> blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
> discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
> one's own blindness.
>
> Just my $0.02-worth.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
> Handel
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Well, I think people are just curious.  But, if you don't want to share
> this
> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
> uncomfortable talking about it.
>
> Cindy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wogg le4
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know
one
> very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
> appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered about
> this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently
> stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make
conversation,
> which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
> individual.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:50:06 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <015501ce52ba$00d8dc90$028a95b0$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> less-than-savory
> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>
> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
> she
> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
> gone
> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went on
> to lead a normal life.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
> Oudinot
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi,
> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you became
> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
> how
> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to lose
> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have
> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
around
> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by most
> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have you,
> there's no shame in talking about it.
>
> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 01:05:07 -0400
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID:
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>
> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
> sensitive situations.
> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
> rule.
>
> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>> less-than-savory
>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>
>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>> she
>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>> gone
>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>> on
>> to lead a normal life.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>> Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>> became
>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>> how
>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>> lose
>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>> have
>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>> around
>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>> most
>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>> you,
>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>
>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>
>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>
>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>
>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> blindtlk:
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>>> gmail.com
>>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:10:40 -0700
> From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5195d80c.0615420a.5710.fffffab3 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I love answering questions about my blindness.  That's part of
> what makes me want to be a teacher.  I want people to feel that
> it's okay to ask me questions, even about my blindness.  Unless
> someone is rude when they ask, I love answering any questions
> about blindness, about anything, really.
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
> don't
> know one very well.  Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
> I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
> to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:10:38 -0700
> From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <5195d80b.0615420a.5710.fffffab0 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>
> What state is this number for?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:14:06 -0400
> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
>
> Primarily we are in 20?? thirties and forties and if you want
> to meet that special someone come on in and chat with us
> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
> Dana
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 05:01:09 -0500
> From: dp <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5DBE8086-C9BC-480D-8CDD-C2A4FAA288AD at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Yes, I'm the same way. I hate how people think its rude to ask those kinds
> of questions, it isn't really. It educates the public about us.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 17 mai 2013, at 02:10, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love answering questions about my blindness.  That's part of what makes
>> me want to be a teacher.  I want people to feel that it's okay to ask me
>> questions, even about my blindness.  Unless someone is rude when they
ask,
>> I love answering any questions about blindness, about anything, really.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
>> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well.  Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:38:20 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <C0457662-DCBF-40FC-9841-FD8D31DE1B4D at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> For my part, I say it cannot be squared away.  Either you are comfortable
> with yourself as a blind person or you are not.  High time one made up
one's
> mind aint it?
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:42 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
>> is
>> respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
>> blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
>> discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
>> one's own blindness.
>>
>> Just my $0.02-worth.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Handel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Well, I think people are just curious.  But, if you don't want to share
>> this
>> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
>> uncomfortable talking about it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wogg le4
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know
>> one
>> very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
>> appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about
>> this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently
>> stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make
>> conversation,
>> which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
>> individual.
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:39:54 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <E14D3C78-1026-4242-B5B7-09AA8305B8C5 at att.net>
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> Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's respectable to
be
> blind?  Well, aren't we?  IF not, then you are right.  IF so, well,
perhaps
> it's time to see just where or if the rubber truly meats the road.
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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>
> On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
>> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
>> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
>> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
>> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
>> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
>> sensitive situations.
>> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
>> rule.
>>
>> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>>> less-than-savory
>>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>>> she
>>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>>> gone
>>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>>> on
>>> to lead a normal life.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>>> Oudinot
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>>> became
>>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>>> how
>>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
>>> Even
>>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>>> lose
>>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>>> have
>>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>>> around
>>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>>> most
>>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>>> you,
>>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>>
>>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>>
>>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>>
>>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 08:13:53 -0500
> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> I guess I've answered the question so many times, that it has lost any
> pertinence. I generally give the shortest answer possible. For a lot of
us,
> the "why" of blindness is the least important part. Now what is
interesting
> is that in my job, working with parents of blind (and I have to add it)
and
> visually impaired children, one of the things they are the most interested
> in is the diagnosis. Growing up, the "why" really didn't affect how we
were
> taught. Today, either because there is more knowledge in the field, or
that
> we can better tailor the educational experience, we work with students
> differently with different visual, and sometimes additional conditions.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
> Jr
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:38 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> For my part, I say it cannot be squared away.  Either you are comfortable
> with yourself as a blind person or you are not.  High time one made up
one's
> mind aint it?
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:42 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a)
>> it is respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems
>> to me that discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being
>> discomfited by one's own blindness.
>>
>> Just my $0.02-worth.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Handel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Well, I think people are just curious.  But, if you don't want to
>> share this kind of personal information with someone, just tell them
>> you're uncomfortable talking about it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wogg le4
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:41:49 -0400
> From: "Sean Paul" <newsandtraffic at aol.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> Agree there Mike, well said. I think that when people ask that question.
We
>
> as blind folk should take the opertunity to use that as a time of
education
>
> about how we got there & what we do once we are there. Getting all upset
> tight & out of sorts about it doesn't solve the situation at all. In fact,
> if you really get out there, You make the rest of us look bad.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 19:08
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>
>> Right on!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:04 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
>>
>> I
>> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
>> us
>> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
>> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
>> question
>> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask
>> about
>> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
>> for
>> kids should be so for adults also.
>> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
>> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
>> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we
are
>>
>> a
>> minority.
>> Relax and just go with the flow.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>
>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>
>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>
>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:13:31 -0700
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> My style would be to just let it all hang out. If a person is
uncomfortable
> with my answer, it's his problem; he shouldn't have asked if he wasn't
> willing to deal with the result! But YMMV.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 22:05, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
>> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
>> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
>> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
>> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
>> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
>> sensitive situations.
>> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
>> rule.
>>
>> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>>> less-than-savory
>>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>>> she
>>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>>> gone
>>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>>> on
>>> to lead a normal life.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>>> Oudinot
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>>> became
>>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>>> how
>>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
>>> Even
>>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>>> lose
>>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>>> have
>>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>>> around
>>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>>> most
>>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>>> you,
>>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>>
>>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>>
>>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>>
>>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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