[Blindtlk] sharing reason for blindness
Ericka J. Short
ericka.short at att.net
Sat May 18 20:53:03 UTC 2013
It is not so much that people want to know the specific answer but they
don't know a better way to "break the ice" so to speak. What they really
want is to know how you learned the way to do it all by yourself. They are
so reliant on their eyes they can't fathom another way of doing things.
This comes from years of living in the sighted world. I was the only one in
my public school system and family. Even in college there were few others
who were visually impaired or totals in the community and the totals weren't
all very independent. Most of the visually impaired in my current community
former drug dealers, mentally challenged, or elderly. It doesn't give a
good impression! I think if you feel comfortable being blind you should
share something rather than be snooty. I guess it's the educator part of
that says this is a teachable moment and each one on one situation will lead
to better education of the rest of the public. The social worker in me says
that we can oly change the world one person at a time. Most problems are
misunderstandings and if we talk and listen to each other things will be
better. Share what you feel like. If you don't feel like answering the
real question, do what politicians do! Answer with what you want the public
to know.
Ericka Short from Kenowhere WI
Today's Topics:
1. Re: blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 (Carly Mihalakis)
2. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
3. Re: blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 (Mike Freeman)
4. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
5. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
6. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
7. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
8. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
9. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
10. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
11. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
12. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jasmine Kotsay)
13. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jasmine Kotsay)
14. Eye Pressing (Kelby Carlson)
15. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
16. Re: Eye Pressing (Jasmine Kotsay)
17. Re: Eye Pressing (Kelby Carlson)
18. Woman Roommate needed for convention (Bonnie Lucas)
19. Re: blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 (Ray Foret Jr)
20. FW: NVDA screen reader News: Announcing the Release of NVDA
2013.1 (Humberto Avila)
21. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
22. Re: Eye Pressing (Jasmine Kotsay)
23. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
24. Re: blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 (Mike Freeman)
25. Re: blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 (Mike Freeman)
26. Re: Eye Pressing (Desiree Oudinot)
27. Fwd: NVDA screen reader News: Announcing the Release of NVDA
2013.1 (David Andrews)
28. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Kelby Carlson)
29. Re: Eye Pressing (Kelby Carlson)
30. Being asked why one is blind (Dave Hyde)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:00:32 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
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Good morning, constantly barefooted Ray,
I dunno about you and others, to me, a person's body means much more
than does his face. Although having an idea of a person's face is
often useful information, it by no means constitutes his
attractiveness, or lack there of.
I'm very curious about this.
Car:
>I ain't either. NO way. After all, we've got enough to deal with
>having the sdtupid stereotype that a blind person feels people's
>faces to see what they look like-I can just imagine it now.
> "Hi, nice to meet you." (then he runs his hands all over
> her face. Well, enough.
>
>
>Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>blind built-in!
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
> > Er, um, I'm not going to touch that one!
> >
> > Mike Freeman
> >
> >
> > On May 17, 2013, at 11:11, Carly Mihala kis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Good morning, Gary,
> >>
> >> Yes, and by a same tokin, why is it that touching
> someone's butt or other parts of their body, is any different from
> touching say, their nose, or even their hand? I mean, to some this
> may sound a little outlandish, but I know for me, I don't care
> where someone wants to touch me. Also, don't people look upon
> things with their ocular organs fairly indiscriminately? Yet, if
> you suggest touching the same gnarly bit with their hands, often
> sighted folk are reviled. Personally, I see no difference. So, what
> ol' sighty looks upon with his eyes, I wanna see too, but in a way I know
> how.
> >> What do others think?
> >> By the way, I am not uptight about talking about either my cause
> of blindness or my age, if that's what someone wants to know. The
> longer things remain a mystery, the more people will feel uneasy
> and the result will be our further alienation. for today, Car
> >>> be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say no.
> >>> If I
> >>> were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you should be
> >>> apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am, I
> answer. If I'm
> >>> asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why they want to
> know and then
> >>> decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my
> weight less a
> >>> subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel
> guilty about one
> >>> and think I had no control over the other?
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wogg
> >>> le4
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
> >>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
> >>>
> >>> It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.
> >>>
> >>> For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
> >>> friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the question
> >>> right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it shows really
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:14:34 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, David,
I remember you from when I served as summer counselor at the
CCB, by the way.
Me, I'm blind and brain damaged.. That's it, I'm also a white chick.
NO pretense!At 06:13 AM 5/17/2013, you wrote:
>I guess I've answered the question so many times, that it has lost
>any pertinence. I generally give the shortest answer possible. For a
>lot of us, the "why" of blindness is the least important part. Now
>what is interesting is that in my job, working with parents of blind
>(and I have to add it) and visually impaired children, one of the
>things they are the most interested in is the diagnosis. Growing up,
>the "why" really didn't affect how we were taught. Today, either
>because there is more knowledge in the field, or that we can better
>tailor the educational experience, we work with students differently
>with different visual, and sometimes additional conditions.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
>Jr
>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:38 AM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>For my part, I say it cannot be squared away. Either you are
>comfortable with yourself as a blind person or you are not. High
>time one made up one's mind aint it?
>
>
>Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>blind built-in!
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
>On May 16, 2013, at 11:42 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
> > But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a)
> > it is respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and
> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems
> > to me that discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being
> > discomfited by one's own blindness.
> >
> > Just my $0.02-worth.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
> > Handel
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >
> > Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to
> > share this kind of personal information with someone, just tell them
> > you're uncomfortable talking about it.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wogg le4
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
> > To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >
> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >
> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> > it appropriate in the particular context.
> >
> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> > about this all the time she knew me.
> >
> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> > really is an annoying individual.
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:33:53 -0700
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
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I agree with you.
Mike Freeman
On May 17, 2013, at 12:00, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> Good morning, constantly barefooted Ray,
>
> I dunno about you and others, to me, a person's body means much more than
> does his face. Although having an idea of a person's face is often useful
> information, it by no means constitutes his attractiveness, or lack there
> of.
> I'm very curious about this.
> Car:
>> I ain't either. NO way. After all, we've got enough to deal with
>> having the sdtupid stereotype that a blind person feels people's faces to
>> see what they look like-I can just imagine it now.
>> "Hi, nice to meet you." (then he runs his hands all over her face.
>> Well, enough.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On May 17, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Er, um, I'm not going to touch that one!
>> >
>> > Mike Freeman
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 17, 2013, at 11:11, Carly Mihala kis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good morning, Gary,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and by a same tokin, why is it that touching someone's butt
>> >> or other parts of their body, is any different from touching say,
>> >> their nose, or even their hand? I mean, to some this may sound a
>> >> little outlandish, but I know for me, I don't care where someone wants
>> >> to touch me. Also, don't people look upon things with their ocular
>> >> organs fairly indiscriminately? Yet, if you suggest touching the same
>> >> gnarly bit with their hands, often sighted folk are reviled.
>> >> Personally, I see no difference. So, what ol' sighty looks upon with
>> >> his eyes, I wanna see too, but in a way I know how.
>> >> What do others think?
>> >> By the way, I am not uptight about talking about either my cause of
>> >> blindness or my age, if that's what someone wants to know. The longer
>> >> things remain a mystery, the more people will feel uneasy and the
>> >> result will be our further alienation. for today, Car
>> >>> be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say no.
>> >>> If I
>> >>> were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you should be
>> >>> apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am, I answer.
>> >>> If I'm
>> >>> asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why they want to know
>> >>> and then
>> >>> decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my weight
>> >>> less a
>> >>> subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel guilty
>> >>> about one
>> >>> and think I had no control over the other?
>> >>>
>> >>> Gary
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of wogg
>> >>> le4
>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
>> >>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
>> >>>
>> >>> It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.
>> >>>
>> >>> For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
>> >>> friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the question
>> >>> right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it shows really
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:34:38 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Good morning, don't organizations such as the Federation teach that
blindness is nothing more than an inconvenience, another personal
characteristic, like eye or hair color? Oughtn't then we also act as
such, while speaking of the condition of our peepers, and how they
came to be as such?Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's
>respectable to be blind? Well, aren't we? IF not, then you are
>right. IF so, well, perhaps it's time to see just where or if the
>rubber truly meats the road.
>
>
>Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>blind built-in!
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
> > I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
> > should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
> > for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
> > suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
> > running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
> > your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
> > sensitive situations.
> > As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception
> to the rule.
> >
> > On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> >> less-than-savory
> >> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit
> >> suicide;
> >> she
> >> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
> >> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
> >> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
> >> gone
> >> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
> >> on
> >> to lead a normal life.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Desiree
> >> Oudinot
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> >> became
> >> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
> >> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can
> >> see
> >> how
> >> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
> >> Even
> >> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
> >> lose
> >> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
> >> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how
> >> you
> >> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
> >> have
> >> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't
> normally go around
> >> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
> >> most
> >> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> >> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
> >> you,
> >> there's no shame in talking about it.
> >>
> >> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> >>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >>>
> >>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> >>> it appropriate in the particular context.
> >>>
> >>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> >>> about this all the time she knew me.
> >>>
> >>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> >>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> >>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> >>> really is an annoying individual.
> >>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:22:55 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, I am the same way! As part of the teeming masses, driven by a
plethora of nagging curiosity and unfettered desire, I am eager to
answer anything. Enough mystery surrounds me!
Car17/2013, dp wrote:
>Yes, I'm the same way. I hate how people think its rude to ask those
>kinds of questions, it isn't really. It educates the public about us.
>
>Sent from my iPod
>
>On 17 mai 2013, at 02:10, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I love answering questions about my blindness. That's part of
> what makes me want to be a teacher. I want people to feel that
> it's okay to ask me questions, even about my blindness. Unless
> someone is rude when they ask, I love answering any questions about
> blindness, about anything, really.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
> > To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
> > Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >
> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >
> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> > it appropriate in the particular context.
> >
> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> > about this all the time she knew me.
> >
> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> > really is an annoying individual.
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:37:50 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, "'Blind Talk
Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, Mike,
About the girl who blinded herself by trying to commit suicide, that
too is a harrowing story. At least as harrowing as any of the rest of
our COB's. Arguably, on the flipant side, perhaps suicide is not too
distanta a fate from blindness! Hell, it's a story I'd be inclined to
tell folk. :50 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>less-than-savory
>blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>
>Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>she
>shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>*again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>gone
>when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went on
>to lead a normal life.
>
>Mike
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>Oudinot
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Hi,
>I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you became
>blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>how
>one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
>veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to lose
>their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have
>to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go around
>displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by most
>to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have you,
>there's no shame in talking about it.
>
>On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >
> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> > it appropriate in the particular context.
> >
> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> > about this all the time she knew me.
> >
> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> > really is an annoying individual.
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:43:13 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, Mike,
Arguably, society best get over itself! Partr of the human struggle
like suicide as well as all shades of blindness yes, even
self-perpetuated ones, are a reality effecting people. And, how
constructive is it that people don't talk about it? Does not talking
about it make it any more comfortable for people?
Car 10:05 PM 5/16/2013, Desire Oudinot wrote:
>I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
>should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
>for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
>suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
>running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
>your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
>sensitive situations.
>As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
>rule.
>
>On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> > It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> > less-than-savory
> > blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
> >
> > Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
> > she
> > shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
> > *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
> > herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
> > gone
> > when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
> > on
> > to lead a normal life.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
> > Oudinot
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> > To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >
> > Hi,
> > I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> > became
> > blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
> > that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
> > how
> > one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
> > Even
> > veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
> > lose
> > their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
> > should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
> > became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
> > have
> > to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
> > around
> > displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
> > most
> > to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> > people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
> > you,
> > there's no shame in talking about it.
> >
> > On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> >> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >>
> >> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> >> it appropriate in the particular context.
> >>
> >> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> >> about this all the time she knew me.
> >>
> >> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> >> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> >> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> >> really is an annoying individual.
> >>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:06:48 -0700
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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You are right. The lady was perfectly willing to tell her story. She had
turned her life around.
Mike Freeman
On May 17, 2013, at 13:37, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi, Mike,
>
> About the girl who blinded herself by trying to commit suicide, that too
> is a harrowing story. At least as harrowing as any of the rest of our
> COB's. Arguably, on the flipant side, perhaps suicide is not too distanta
> a fate from blindness! Hell, it's a story I'd be inclined to tell folk.
> :50 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>> less-than-savory
>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>
>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>> she
>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>> gone
>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>> on
>> to lead a normal life.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>> Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>> became
>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>> how
>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>> lose
>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>> have
>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>> around
>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>> most
>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>> you,
>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>
>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>> >
>> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> > it appropriate in the particular context.
>> >
>> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> > about this all the time she knew me.
>> >
>> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> > really is an annoying individual.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:23:54 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, Mike,
With Gglee I imagine? I'd definitely take on gleeful tones if that
were my story. /17/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>You are right. The lady was perfectly willing to tell her story. She
>had turned her life around.
>
>Mike Freeman
>
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 13:37, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Mike,
> >
> > About the girl who blinded herself by trying to commit suicide,
> that too is a harrowing story. At least as harrowing as any of the
> rest of our COB's. Arguably, on the flipant side, perhaps suicide
> is not too distanta a fate from blindness! Hell, it's a story I'd
> be inclined to tell folk. :50 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
> >> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> less-than-savory
> >> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit
> suicide; she
> >> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
> >> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
> >> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that
> brilliance was gone
> >> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
> >> on
> >> to lead a normal life.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Desiree
> >> Oudinot
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> >> became
> >> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
> >> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I
> can see how
> >> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
> >> Even
> >> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
> >> lose
> >> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
> >> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how
> >> you
> >> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
> >> have
> >> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't
> normally go around
> >> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
> >> most
> >> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> >> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
> >> you,
> >> there's no shame in talking about it.
> >>
> >> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> >> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >> >
> >> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> >> > it appropriate in the particular context.
> >> >
> >> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> >> > about this all the time she knew me.
> >> >
> >> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> >> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> >> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> >> > really is an annoying individual.
> >> >
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:32:06 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, "'Blind Talk
Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Hi, Mike,
Is such a thing not burning the candle at both ends, talking out of
both sides of one's mouth, a spousing all this blind pride vigor
while not being liberated enough to breathe of reasons your ocular
organs don't function? Maybe some Federation people can answer this?
At 09:42 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
>is
>respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
>blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
>discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
>one's own blindness.
>
>Just my $0.02-worth.
>
>Mike
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>Handel
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to share
>this
>kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
>uncomfortable talking about it.
>
>Cindy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wogg le4
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know one
>very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
>I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
>appropriate in the particular context.
>
>this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered about
>this all the time she knew me.
>
>I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>currently
>stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make conversation,
>which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
>individual.
>
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:01:32 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, "'Blind Talk
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Hi, you know what bugs me, when you're walking around or on a bus or
something, and little kids point and stair at your stick, and parents
shush the poor curious kiddies. Like, don't shut 'em down, they're
just curious, as, probably are you. Can't people just be real with
each other? Must it be such a crime? At 04:23 PM 5/16/2013, Gloria
Whipple wrote:
>It sure doesn't bother me one bit! I tell kids of grownups to ask them.
>
>Gloria Whipple
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>Freeman
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 16:04
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly, I
>don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of us
>think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
>respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the question
>without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
>blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
>for
>kids should be so for adults also.
>Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
>conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
>because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
>a
>minority.
>Relax and just go with the flow.
>
>Mike Freeman
>
>
>On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >
> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> > it appropriate in the particular context.
> >
> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> > about this all the time she knew me.
> >
> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> > really is an annoying individual.
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:08:48 -0700
From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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It's really sad that people think it's rude to ask certain
questions. It's not like they're asking something SUPER
personal, in my opinion. What sad is that no one wants to talk
about differences, so no one is educated about it. I've had
people seay, "I'm sorry!" about my blindness. I say, "Sorry
about what? I wouldn't trade my blindness for anything!! I like
being this way!"
----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,Blind Talk
Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:22:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Hi, I am the same way! As part of the teeming masses, driven by a
plethora of nagging curiosity and unfettered desire, I am eager
to
answer anything. Enough mystery surrounds me!
Car17/2013, dp wrote:
Yes, I'm the same way. I hate how people think its rude to ask
those
kinds of questions, it isn't really. It educates the public
about us.
Sent from my iPod
On 17 mai 2013, at 02:10, Jasmine Kotsay
<jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com> wrote:
I love answering questions about my blindness. That's part of
what makes me want to be a teacher. I want people to feel that
it's okay to ask me questions, even about my blindness. Unless
someone is rude when they ask, I love answering any questions
about
blindness, about anything, really.
----- Original Message -----
From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
don't
know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
think
it appropriate in the particular context.
this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
wondered
about this all the time she knew me.
I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
I'm
currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
to
make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult -
she
really is an annoying individual.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 16:08:51 -0700
From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Differences just aren't talked about. That's why so many people
are afraid to talk about things.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,"'Blind Talk
Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:01:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Hi, you know what bugs me, when you're walking around or on a bus
or
something, and little kids point and stair at your stick, and
parents
shush the poor curious kiddies. Like, don't shut 'em down,
they're
just curious, as, probably are you. Can't people just be real
with
each other? Must it be such a crime? At 04:23 PM 5/16/2013,
Gloria
Whipple wrote:
It sure doesn't bother me one bit! I tell kids of grownups to ask
them.
Gloria Whipple
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike
Freeman
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 16:04
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask.
Frankly, I
don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why
many of us
think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that
it is
respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer
the question
without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to
ask about
blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what
is true for
kids should be so for adults also.
Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start
a
conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your
blindness
because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After
all, we are a
minority.
Relax and just go with the flow.
Mike Freeman
On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
don't
know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
think
it appropriate in the particular context.
this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
wondered
about this all the time she knew me.
I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
I'm
currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
to
make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult -
she
really is an annoying individual.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:59:36 -0500
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:01:27 -0700
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
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Yeh! It kina darkens things when people say stuff like "oh, sorry,"
It's like, sorry for what?" You're assuming having eyesight is
somehow, a more desirable affliction.
Car Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
>It's really sad that people think it's rude to ask certain
>questions. It's not like they're asking something SUPER personal,
>in my opinion. What sad is that no one wants to talk about
>differences, so no one is educated about it. I've had people seay,
>"I'm sorry!" about my blindness. I say, "Sorry about what? I
>wouldn't trade my blindness for anything!! I like being this way!"
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,Blind Talk Mailing
>List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:22:55 -0700
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Hi, I am the same way! As part of the teeming masses, driven by a
>plethora of nagging curiosity and unfettered desire, I am eager to
>answer anything. Enough mystery surrounds me!
>Car17/2013, dp wrote:
>Yes, I'm the same way. I hate how people think its rude to ask those
>kinds of questions, it isn't really. It educates the public about us.
>
>Sent from my iPod
>
>On 17 mai 2013, at 02:10, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I love answering questions about my blindness. That's part of
>what makes me want to be a teacher. I want people to feel that
>it's okay to ask me questions, even about my blindness. Unless
>someone is rude when they ask, I love answering any questions about
>blindness, about anything, really.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
>To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
>Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
>I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>it appropriate in the particular context.
>
>this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>about this all the time she knew me.
>
>I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>really is an annoying individual.
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:17:38 -0700
From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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Hello, Kelby,
My question is, do you know when you do it more? What I mean
is, are you stressed, annoyed, or nervous when you find yourself
pressing on your eyes?
Sincerely,
Jasmine
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:22:04 -0500
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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Usually I end up doing it when I'm either (a) bored or (b) on the
phone. It may also happen when I'm stressed, but I'm not quite
sure.
Kelby
----- Original Message -----
From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:17:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Hello, Kelby,
My question is, do you know when you do it more? What I mean
is, are you stressed, annoyed, or nervous when you find yourself
pressing on your eyes?
Sincerely,
Jasmine
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:09:22 -0800
From: "Bonnie Lucas" <lucas.bonnie at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindtlk] Woman Roommate needed for convention
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Hello everyone,
Sadly, I amm not going to be able to go to convention as I had hoped.
However, I had agreed to room with someone so we could both save some money.
Just wondering if anyone out there is needing a roommate. My friend is
looking for someone who is not a partier but does enjoy being active. If you
would call me, we can talk more.
Sincerely,
Bonnie Lucas
907-301-6808
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 20:41:46 -0500
From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
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Maybe, but, surely, you're not going to tell me you go around groping people
do you? I can't believe that. I believe touching is very important yes:
but, the circumstances have to be right.
Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
On May 17, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> Good morning, constantly barefooted Ray,
>
> I dunno about you and others, to me, a person's body means much more than
> does his face. Although having an idea of a person's face is often useful
> information, it by no means constitutes his attractiveness, or lack there
> of.
> I'm very curious about this.
> Car:
>> I ain't either. NO way. After all, we've got enough to deal with
>> having the sdtupid stereotype that a blind person feels people's faces to
>> see what they look like-I can just imagine it now.
>> "Hi, nice to meet you." (then he runs his hands all over her face.
>> Well, enough.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>
>> On May 17, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Er, um, I'm not going to touch that one!
>> >
>> > Mike Freeman
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 17, 2013, at 11:11, Carly Mihala kis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good morning, Gary,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and by a same tokin, why is it that touching someone's butt
>> >> or other parts of their body, is any different from touching say,
>> >> their nose, or even their hand? I mean, to some this may sound a
>> >> little outlandish, but I know for me, I don't care where someone wants
>> >> to touch me. Also, don't people look upon things with their ocular
>> >> organs fairly indiscriminately? Yet, if you suggest touching the same
>> >> gnarly bit with their hands, often sighted folk are reviled.
>> >> Personally, I see no difference. So, what ol' sighty looks upon with
>> >> his eyes, I wanna see too, but in a way I know how.
>> >> What do others think?
>> >> By the way, I am not uptight about talking about either my cause of
>> >> blindness or my age, if that's what someone wants to know. The longer
>> >> things remain a mystery, the more people will feel uneasy and the
>> >> result will be our further alienation. for today, Car
>> >>> be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say no.
>> >>> If I
>> >>> were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you should be
>> >>> apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am, I answer.
>> >>> If I'm
>> >>> asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why they want to know
>> >>> and then
>> >>> decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my weight
>> >>> less a
>> >>> subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel guilty
>> >>> about one
>> >>> and think I had no control over the other?
>> >>>
>> >>> Gary
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
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>> >>> le4
>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
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>> >>>
>> >>> It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.
>> >>>
>> >>> For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
>> >>> friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the question
>> >>> right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it shows really
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:48:06 -0700
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:51:50 -0700
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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I think so!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 2:32 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Hi, Mike,
Is such a thing not burning the candle at both ends, talking out of
both sides of one's mouth, a spousing all this blind pride vigor
while not being liberated enough to breathe of reasons your ocular
organs don't function? Maybe some Federation people can answer this?
At 09:42 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
is
>respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
>blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
>discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
>one's own blindness.
>
>Just my $0.02-worth.
>
>Mike
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>Handel
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to share
this
>kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
>uncomfortable talking about it.
>
>Cindy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wogg le4
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know one
>very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
>I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
>appropriate in the particular context.
>
>this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered about
>this all the time she knew me.
>
>I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
currently
>stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make conversation,
>which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
>individual.
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:54:32 -0700
From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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I have a bad habit, too. I tend to pick the skin around my
fingers when I'm bored or stressed. I try to keep my hands busy
so it doesn't happen. Maybe this would help?
----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:22:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Usually I end up doing it when I'm either (a) bored or (b) on the
phone. It may also happen when I'm stressed, but I'm not quite
sure.
Kelby
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Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:17:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Hello, Kelby,
My question is, do you know when you do it more? What I mean
is, are you stressed, annoyed, or nervous when you find yourself
pressing on your eyes?
Sincerely,
Jasmine
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To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:56:15 -0700
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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You got it! However, we do offer this view with the provisos that if and
only if the blind person has good training and opportunity, his/her
blindness can be reduced to a damned nuisance.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:35 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Good morning, don't organizations such as the Federation teach that
blindness is nothing more than an inconvenience, another personal
characteristic, like eye or hair color? Oughtn't then we also act as such,
while speaking of the condition of our peepers, and how they came to be as
such?Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's respectable
>to be blind? Well, aren't we? IF not, then you are right. IF so,
>well, perhaps it's time to see just where or if the rubber truly meats
>the road.
>
>
>Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>blind built-in!
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that
> > everyone should know this person's history? Blindness is an
> > uncomfortable topic for the average person in society to talk about;
> > suicide, or attempted suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you
> > might just send someone running away screaming. Sure, you could
> > claim that they're not worth your time, but the fact remains that
> > discretion is the key in such sensitive situations.
> > As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception
> to the rule.
> >
> > On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> >> less-than-savory blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit
> >> suicide; she shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the
> >> job, shot herself
> >> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was
> >> blind herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that
> >> brilliance was gone when she recovered but she was still very
> >> bright -- and blind. She went on to lead a normal life.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Desiree Oudinot
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> >> became blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew
> >> someone like that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was
> >> blinded), I can see how one might not want to talk about something
> >> like that with strangers. Even veterans might have this problem if
> >> their war injuries caused them to lose their sight. In other words,
> >> I can see both sides of this. I think you should only tell people
> >> what you're comfortable telling them. If how you became blind is
> >> something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have to
> >> reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't
> normally go around
> >> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered
> >> by most to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born
> >> blind, or for people who have lost their sight to things like
> >> glaucoma or what have you, there's no shame in talking about it.
> >>
> >> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> >>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >>>
> >>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> >>> think it appropriate in the particular context.
> >>>
> >>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> >>> wondered about this all the time she knew me.
> >>>
> >>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> >>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> >>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> >>> really is an annoying individual.
> >>>
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:59:04 -0700
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
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Car: Definitely blind. <grin>
Mike
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:56 AM
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Hi, Mike,
Not gonna touch that one? Are you blind, or NOT???
CarAt 11:30 AM 5/17/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>Er, um, I'm not going to touch that one!
>
>Mike Freeman
>
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 11:11, Carly Mihala kis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Good morning, Gary,
> >
> > Yes, and by a same tokin, why is it that touching
> someone's butt or other parts of their body, is any different from
> touching say, their nose, or even their hand? I mean, to some this may
> sound a little outlandish, but I know for me, I don't care where
> someone wants to touch me. Also, don't people look upon things with
> their ocular organs fairly indiscriminately? Yet, if you suggest
> touching the same gnarly bit with their hands, often sighted folk are
> reviled. Personally, I see no difference. So, what ol' sighty looks
> upon with his eyes, I wanna see too, but in a way I know how.
> > What do others think?
> > By the way, I am not uptight about talking about either my cause
> of blindness or my age, if that's what someone wants to know. The
> longer things remain a mystery, the more people will feel uneasy
> and the result will be our further alienation. for today, Car
> >> be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say
> >> no. If I were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you
> >> should be apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am,
> >> I answer. If I'm asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why
> >> they want to
> know and then
> >> decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my
> weight less a
> >> subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel
> guilty about one
> >> and think I had no control over the other?
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> wogg le4
> >> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
> >> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
> >>
> >> It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.
> >>
> >> For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
> >> friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the
> >> question right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it
> >> shows really
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 19:17:47 -0700
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
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Gary:
Heck; just sit on 'em; let 'em judge your weight for themselves! Yee haw!
Mike
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:32 AM
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I wonder how many of the questions that are taboo really should be. Should I
be offended if someone asks my age? As a man the world would say no. If I
were a woman, I should be offended by the question and you should be
apologetic about asking. Why? If I'm asked how tall I am, I answer. If I'm
asked how much I weigh, I hesitate and wonder why they want to know and then
decide whether to tell them or fudge on the figure. Why is my weight less a
subject for question than my height? Perhaps because I feel guilty about one
and think I had no control over the other?
Gary
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:23 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] blindtlk Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
It isn't that I am uncomfortable with the topic.
For me everything depends on context. As noted this person is not a
friend - is not someone I particularly like and dropped the question
right out of the blue - and I remain of the veiw that it shows really
bad manners.
I mean, it is "respectable" to have a bank account - I doubt anyone is
traumatized by having one but I trust none of you would dream of
asking a stranger their bank balance for example!
It is not a question of trauma or embarrassement, it is a question of
courticy, a question of some (not by any means all) people not
affording the same respect that they would to anyone else about a
range of subjects.
ps I of course dealt with the question in a way with which I was
comfortable - but as I was bored on a train, I thought the question
worth raising.
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> 1. People How Asking How one Became Blind (wogg le4)
> 2. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
> 3. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jim Portillo)
> 4. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Kelby Carlson)
> 5. a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
> 6. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Gloria Whipple)
> 7. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Michelle Medina)
> 8. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
> 9. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Kelby Carlson)
> 10. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Dana)
> 11. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Desiree Oudinot)
> 12. Re: Washing, How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running in The
> Washing Machine (Judy jones)
> 13. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Carly Mihalakis)
> 14. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Cindy Handel)
> 15. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
> 16. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
> 17. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Desiree Oudinot)
> 18. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Jasmine Kotsay)
> 19. Re: a great place to meet wonderful people (Jasmine Kotsay)
> 20. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (dp)
> 21. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Ray Foret Jr)
> 22. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Ray Foret Jr)
> 23. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
> 24. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Sean Paul)
> 25. Re: People How Asking How one Became Blind (Mike Freeman)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com>
> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:03:53 -0700
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <8785EB94-6D76-4723-BAB2-ECBC0E0D3E6E at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:08:27 -0700
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <51956702.8300450a.7362.1d89 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Right on!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:04 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
> for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
> a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:11:30 -0500
> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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>
> I've always found it funny the way people are so petrified of
> offending you when they ask you about your blindness. I honestly
> can't recall a time when I've truly been upset when someone asks
> for information. People love to ask me about my eyes, my
> technology, and (more than everything else) my dog. Actually,
> I'll take the above statement back-the questions about the dog
> get irritating after awhile, but not because they're personal,
> it's just that they get asked so very often. Nonetheless, I
> really don't mind answering people's questions. As much as I
> think people should self-educate about a lot of things, not
> everyone is going to, so every bit of education and "good press"
> we can get out there helps us.
>
> Kelby
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:03:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask.
> Frankly, I don't understand why so many of us get hung up about
> this or why many of us think this is so personal. After all, if
> we truly believe that it is respectable to be blind, then we
> should just be able to answer the question without emotional
> trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what
> is true for kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start
> a conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your
> blindness because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied
> with. After all, we are a minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
> don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
> I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
> to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult -
> she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:14:06 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <27200D8784B143BC97ED8080AA80CC64 at DanaPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Primarily we are in 20?s thirties and forties and if you want to meet that
> special someone come on in and chat with us
> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
> Dana
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:23:48 -0700
> From: "Gloria Whipple" <glowhi at centurylink.net>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <000001ce528c$6c8a8700$459f9500$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It sure doesn't bother me one bit! I tell kids of grownups to ask them.
>
> Gloria Whipple
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
> Freeman
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 16:04
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
I
> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
us
> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
question
> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask about
> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
> for
> kids should be so for adults also.
> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we are
> a
> minority.
> Relax and just go with the flow.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindtlk mailing list
>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:23:58 -0400
> From: Michelle Medina <michellem86 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID:
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>
> Is this 7 days a week or 1 day a week? Is it Christians or just any
> blind person?
> Thank you,
> Chelle
>
> On 5/16/13, Dana <dananolan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Primarily we are in 20?s thirties and forties and if you want to meet
>> that
>> special someone come on in and chat with us
>> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
>> Dana
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:29:26 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <514EE625DC744D01811C90ECA3E63589 at DanaPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> all kidns of people 7 days a week evenings is when we are busiest.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:33:33 -0500
> From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <51956ce0.882b320a.5408.64bc at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Guys, this looks like spam.
>
> Kelby
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:29:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
>
> all kidns of people 7 days a week evenings is when we are
> busiest.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:37:22 -0400
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <77DB213B4E9244DAA2AC121D0F423F86 at DanaPC>
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>
> No no it is not spam we are truly a bunch of mostly blind peole who come
to
>
> chat and I figured some of you might like a place to meet some new people.
> I am a blind girl living in Virginia.
> Dana
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:47:15 -0400
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID:
> <CAC7+D=xgjOn-durcRSM_Aomgb+UYcWSNuAGbibzWApndAeUmRA at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Hi,
> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> became blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew
> someone like that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was
> blinded), I can see how one might not want to talk about something
> like that with strangers. Even veterans might have this problem if
> their war injuries caused them to lose their sight. In other words, I
> can see both sides of this. I think you should only tell people what
> you're comfortable telling them. If how you became blind is something
> highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have to reveal that to
> everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go around displaying
> our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by most to be
> undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
> you, there's no shame in talking about it.
>
> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:53:45 -0600
> From: "Judy jones" <jtj1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing, How to Avoid Colours in Clothes
> Running in The Washing Machine
> Message-ID: <ED5D80156A124631927F0A244D2ED867 at Judy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi,
>
> My washing methods are very similar, reds always separate, new things by
> them selves a few times. Hand washing especially delicates, go in warm,
on
>
> light wash, and then hang dry. Is easy to do in our dry climate. If you
> "handwash" with gentle soap, like a hand soap, don't use too much because
of
>
> the agitation and too many bubbles to form.
>
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing,How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running in
> The Washing Machine
>
>
>>I do something similar, only I wash everything in cold water. And I have
>> several things I don't dry or only dry for a few minutes. If I have a lot
>>
>> of
>> red, or new red things, I wash them separate. I've found that even things
>> that say hand wash, mostly can be safely washed in the machine, but then
>> I
>> don't dry those at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean
>> Paul
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:33 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing, How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running
>> in
>> The Washing Machine
>>
>> Never heard that called the college method, but, yes, remembering back to
>> those days. I can see where that'd fit. I call that the batchler method &
>> even though I'm married now & have been for years. I do all the laundry
>> round here & for the most part still use that method.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 07:25
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Washing,How to Avoid Colours in Clothes Running
>> in
>> The Washing Machine
>>
>>
>>> Plain white vinegar will help a lot to keep colors from bleeding. Soak
>>> a
>>> new garment in vinegar for a few hours or overnight before washing.
>>> Some
>>> of the new dye may still come out, so it's important to wash with like
>>> colors. Red seems to be the worst for bleeding into other colors. I
>>> wash
>>> new red clothes with other reds if I have enough or dark jeans or towels
>>> if I don't. My towels are navy blue, so if the red colors them it won't
>>> be
>>
>>> noticeable.
>>>
>>> I don't buy a lot of new clothes, so mostly I use the college dormitory
>>> method of washing...I cram everything into the washer together, jeans,
>>> socks, colored shirts and wash it all on regular warm water wash and
>>> cold
>>> rinse. 99% of the time this method works just fine. I'm not a fancy
>>> person though. I don't have a bunch of delicates or clothes that can't
>>> go
>>
>>> in the dryer. I'm careful with new clothes for a few washes and then
>>> after that I go with the easiest method. I used to do separate loads for
>>> jeans, colors, whites etc. I will do that now if I'm going to bleach
>>> the
>>> whites or something, but honestly I haven't noticed any difference
>>> between
>>
>>> separating everything and the college method. At least not for clothes
>>> that I've had for a while.
>>>
>>> If I know I've spilled something on the item I treat it with a stain
>>> removal product and wash as usual. After it comes out of the wash I'll
>>> ask a sighted person to make sure the stain came out before wearing.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:50:02 -0700
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing
> List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130516174819.021fa358 at comcast.net>
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> Hi, Mike,
>
> Sing it, my brother in bi blastoma!
> for today, Car04:03 PM 5/16/2013, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask.
>>Frankly, I don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this
>>or why many of us think this is so personal. After all, if we truly
>>believe that it is respectable to be blind, then we should just be
>>able to answer the question without emotional trauma or angst. We
>>are always telling kids to ask about blindness rather than shy away
>>from us. I should think that what is true for kids should be so for
>>adults also.
>>Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
>>conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your
>>blindness because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with.
>>After all, we are a minority.
>>Relax and just go with the flow.
>>
>>Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> > know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>> >
>> > I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> > it appropriate in the particular context.
>> >
>> > this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> > about this all the time she knew me.
>> >
>> > I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> > currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> > make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> > really is an annoying individual.
>> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:25:48 -0400
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5A31269C2FBF4D1EB325BBED8AF388EC at CindyPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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>
> Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to share
this
>
> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
> uncomfortable talking about it.
>
> Cindy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wogg le4
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:42:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <015201ce52b8$ebb87ec0$c3297c40$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
> is
> respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
> blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
> discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
> one's own blindness.
>
> Just my $0.02-worth.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
> Handel
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to share
> this
> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
> uncomfortable talking about it.
>
> Cindy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wogg le4
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know
one
> very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
> appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered about
> this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> currently
> stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make
conversation,
> which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
> individual.
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:50:06 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <015501ce52ba$00d8dc90$028a95b0$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> less-than-savory
> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>
> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
> she
> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
> gone
> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went on
> to lead a normal life.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
> Oudinot
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi,
> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you became
> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
> how
> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to lose
> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have
> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
around
> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by most
> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have you,
> there's no shame in talking about it.
>
> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 01:05:07 -0400
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID:
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>
> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
> sensitive situations.
> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
> rule.
>
> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>> less-than-savory
>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>
>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>> she
>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>> gone
>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>> on
>> to lead a normal life.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>> Oudinot
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>> became
>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>> how
>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers. Even
>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>> lose
>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>> have
>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>> around
>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>> most
>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>> you,
>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>
>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>
>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>
>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>
>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindtlk mailing list
>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> blindtlk:
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>>> gmail.com
>>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:10:40 -0700
> From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5195d80c.0615420a.5710.fffffab3 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I love answering questions about my blindness. That's part of
> what makes me want to be a teacher. I want people to feel that
> it's okay to ask me questions, even about my blindness. Unless
> someone is rude when they ask, I love answering any questions
> about blindness, about anything, really.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
> don't
> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>
> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> think
> it appropriate in the particular context.
>
> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> wondered
> about this all the time she knew me.
>
> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
> I'm
> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
> to
> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> really is an annoying individual.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:10:38 -0700
> From: Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
> Message-ID: <5195d80b.0615420a.5710.fffffab0 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed
>
> What state is this number for?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana" <dananolan at comcast.net
> To: <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 19:14:06 -0400
> Subject: [Blindtlk] a great place to meet wonderful people
>
> Primarily we are in 20?? thirties and forties and if you want
> to meet that special someone come on in and chat with us
> 712 432 4848 room number is 3
> Dana
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 05:01:09 -0500
> From: dp <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <5DBE8086-C9BC-480D-8CDD-C2A4FAA288AD at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yes, I'm the same way. I hate how people think its rude to ask those kinds
> of questions, it isn't really. It educates the public about us.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 17 mai 2013, at 02:10, Jasmine Kotsay <jasmine.kotsay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love answering questions about my blindness. That's part of what makes
>> me want to be a teacher. I want people to feel that it's okay to ask me
>> questions, even about my blindness. Unless someone is rude when they
ask,
>> I love answering any questions about blindness, about anything, really.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com
>> To: blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:50 +0100
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:38:20 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <C0457662-DCBF-40FC-9841-FD8D31DE1B4D at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> For my part, I say it cannot be squared away. Either you are comfortable
> with yourself as a blind person or you are not. High time one made up
one's
> mind aint it?
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:42 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a) it
>> is
>> respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and opportunity,
>> blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems to me that
>> discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being discomfited by
>> one's own blindness.
>>
>> Just my $0.02-worth.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Handel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to share
>> this
>> kind of personal information with someone, just tell them you're
>> uncomfortable talking about it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wogg le4
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't know
>> one
>> very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think it
>> appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about
>> this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently
>> stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to make
>> conversation,
>> which I'm finding particularly difficult - she really is an annoying
>> individual.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 06:39:54 -0500
> From: Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> Message-ID: <E14D3C78-1026-4242-B5B7-09AA8305B8C5 at att.net>
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> Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's respectable to
be
> blind? Well, aren't we? IF not, then you are right. IF so, well,
perhaps
> it's time to see just where or if the rubber truly meats the road.
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
>> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
>> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
>> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
>> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
>> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
>> sensitive situations.
>> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
>> rule.
>>
>> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>>> less-than-savory
>>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>>> she
>>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>>> gone
>>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>>> on
>>> to lead a normal life.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>>> Oudinot
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>>> became
>>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>>> how
>>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
>>> Even
>>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>>> lose
>>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>>> have
>>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>>> around
>>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>>> most
>>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>>> you,
>>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>>
>>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>>
>>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>>
>>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 08:13:53 -0500
> From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us>
> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> I guess I've answered the question so many times, that it has lost any
> pertinence. I generally give the shortest answer possible. For a lot of
us,
> the "why" of blindness is the least important part. Now what is
interesting
> is that in my job, working with parents of blind (and I have to add it)
and
> visually impaired children, one of the things they are the most interested
> in is the diagnosis. Growing up, the "why" really didn't affect how we
were
> taught. Today, either because there is more knowledge in the field, or
that
> we can better tailor the educational experience, we work with students
> differently with different visual, and sometimes additional conditions.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
> Jr
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 6:38 AM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
> For my part, I say it cannot be squared away. Either you are comfortable
> with yourself as a blind person or you are not. High time one made up
one's
> mind aint it?
>
>
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 11:42 PM, "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> But how do we square this for ourselves with the NFB position that (a)
>> it is respectable to be blind and (b) that with training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a physical nuisance? It seems
>> to me that discomfort at discussing the topic is tantamount to being
>> discomfited by one's own blindness.
>>
>> Just my $0.02-worth.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Handel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:26 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Well, I think people are just curious. But, if you don't want to
>> share this kind of personal information with someone, just tell them
>> you're uncomfortable talking about it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wogg le4
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:05 PM
>> To: blindtlk ; indtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>
>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>
>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>
>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>> really is an annoying individual.
>>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:41:49 -0400
> From: "Sean Paul" <newsandtraffic at aol.com>
> To: "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> Agree there Mike, well said. I think that when people ask that question.
We
>
> as blind folk should take the opertunity to use that as a time of
education
>
> about how we got there & what we do once we are there. Getting all upset
> tight & out of sorts about it doesn't solve the situation at all. In fact,
> if you really get out there, You make the rest of us look bad.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Portillo" <portillo.jim at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 19:08
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>
>
>> Right on!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:04 PM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>
>> People are just so curious that they can't stand it so they ask. Frankly,
>>
>> I
>> don't understand why so many of us get hung up about this or why many of
>> us
>> think this is so personal. After all, if we truly believe that it is
>> respectable to be blind, then we should just be able to answer the
>> question
>> without emotional trauma or angst. We are always telling kids to ask
>> about
>> blindness rather than shy away from us. I should think that what is true
>> for
>> kids should be so for adults also.
>> Alternatively, some people can't seem to figure out how to start a
>> conversation without making eye contact so they ask about your blindness
>> because it is what they're emotionally preoccupied with. After all, we
are
>>
>> a
>> minority.
>> Relax and just go with the flow.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2013, at 15:05, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>
>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>
>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>
>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:13:31 -0700
> From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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> My style would be to just let it all hang out. If a person is
uncomfortable
> with my answer, it's his problem; he shouldn't have asked if he wasn't
> willing to deal with the result! But YMMV.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
>
> On May 16, 2013, at 22:05, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that everyone
>> should know this person's history? Blindness is an uncomfortable topic
>> for the average person in society to talk about; suicide, or attempted
>> suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you might just send someone
>> running away screaming. Sure, you could claim that they're not worth
>> your time, but the fact remains that discretion is the key in such
>> sensitive situations.
>> As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception to the
>> rule.
>>
>> On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
>>> less-than-savory
>>> blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit suicide;
>>> she
>>> shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the job, shot herself
>>> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was blind
>>> herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that brilliance was
>>> gone
>>> when she recovered but she was still very bright -- and blind. She went
>>> on
>>> to lead a normal life.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree
>>> Oudinot
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
>>> became
>>> blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew someone like
>>> that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was blinded), I can see
>>> how
>>> one might not want to talk about something like that with strangers.
>>> Even
>>> veterans might have this problem if their war injuries caused them to
>>> lose
>>> their sight. In other words, I can see both sides of this. I think you
>>> should only tell people what you're comfortable telling them. If how you
>>> became blind is something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't
>>> have
>>> to reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't normally go
>>> around
>>> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered by
>>> most
>>> to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born blind, or for
>>> people who have lost their sight to things like glaucoma or what have
>>> you,
>>> there's no shame in talking about it.
>>>
>>> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
>>>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
>>>>
>>>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always think
>>>> it appropriate in the particular context.
>>>>
>>>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had wondered
>>>> about this all the time she knew me.
>>>>
>>>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
>>>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
>>>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
>>>> really is an annoying individual.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:25:30 -0400
From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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I have LCA as well, and I'll admit I've struggled with this. I do find
that I do it most often when I'm either tired or stressed. Luckily,
I've managed to control it so that I only do it when I'm alone. I
don't know of any way to completely eradicate this habit. Maybe it's
one of those things that gradually diminishes with age. When I was a
kid, I did it much more frequently than I do now. I'm 23 now, so
maybe, the older you get, the less of a need you feel to do it?
On 5/17/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
> confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
> have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
> was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
> college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
> much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
> with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
> on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
> particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
> anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
> what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
>
> Kelby S. Carlson
>
> Vanderbilt University
>
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:32:54 -0500
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: NVDA screen reader News: Announcing the
Release of NVDA 2013.1
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>2013.1, the latest release of the free NVDA screen reading software,
>is now available from NV Access for anyone to download.
>
>Highlights of this release include a more intuitive and consistent
>laptop keyboard layout; basic support for Microsoft PowerPoint;
>support for long descriptions in web browsers; and support for input
>of computer braille for braille displays which have a braille keyboard.
>
>NVDA is used by 10s of thousands of blind and vision impaired people
>spanning more than 120 countries, enabling them to socialize, get an
>education, and participate in the workforce -- things that may not
>have been possible previously for those who could not afford other
>expensive screen reading solutions.
>
>To download a copy, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/download
>
>*** Heard about our new Website? ***
>
>We just launched our new, improved website at
>http://www.nvaccess.org. We have revamped the site to better tell
>our story, in order to raise much needed funds to keep NVDA going.
>nvaccess.org will be the central online presence for NV Access and
>NVDA now. It brings together content from our previous websites in a
>much more streamlined way. You can download NVDA at
>nvaccess.org/download from now on. And to access development,
>translation and other community related content you can follow the
>"community" link in the footer. This link will take you to
>http://community.nvda-project.org/
>
>On the home page of our new website, http://www.nvaccess.org, you
>will be able to play a video called "Our Mission", which tells the
>NVDA story. We would really appreciate it if you could share a link
>to this video with your friends and family, letting them know how
>NVDA has helped you, and telling them that donations will help us to
>keep NVDA going. Any donation, big or small, makes a difference to
>us and we thank you in advance. Of course, if you know any companies
>who might be in a position to sponsor us, definitely pass the video
>link on and have them get in touch with us. Thanks again everyone
>for your fantastic loyalty and support, which makes what we do so
>rewarding. A direct link to the video on Youtube, if you need it,
>is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOQ7zELFmLE
>
>Thanks for your support.
>
>
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:27 -0500
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
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Something about this sentiment has always vaguely bothered me.
It's not as if I want to say that my blindness is something that
constantly brings horrible suffering insmy life, but simply
describing it as "a nuissance" seems pretty reductionistic, as
does saying that it's "just a characteristic." Both things are
true, but blindness affects me in more contexts and in far more
ways
than, say, having brown hair does. It also tends to shape my
outlook on life, the world and events-consciously and
subconsciously-a lot more than other "minor" characteristic. It
would be hard to try and rank it on a scale along with other
things like personality, religious convictions and the like, but
I think a disability can have a pretty important relationship to
how one forms one's identity and I don't necessarily see anything
wrong with that.
Kelby
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From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 18:56:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
You got it! However, we do offer this view with the provisos that
if and
only if the blind person has good training and opportunity,
his/her
blindness can be reduced to a damned nuisance.
Mike
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Carly
Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Good morning, don't organizations such as the Federation teach
that
blindness is nothing more than an inconvenience, another personal
characteristic, like eye or hair color? Oughtn't then we also act
as such,
while speaking of the condition of our peepers, and how they came
to be as
such?Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's
respectable
to be blind? Well, aren't we? IF not, then you are right. IF
so,
well, perhaps it's time to see just where or if the rubber truly
meats
the road.
Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for
the
blind built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot
<turtlepower17 at gmail.com
wrote:
I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that
everyone should know this person's history? Blindness is an
uncomfortable topic for the average person in society to talk
about;
suicide, or attempted suicide, even more so. Combine the two
and you
might just send someone running away screaming. Sure, you could
claim that they're not worth your time, but the fact remains
that
discretion is the key in such sensitive situations.
As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception
to the rule.
On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
less-than-savory blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit
suicide; she shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the
job, shot herself
*again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was
blind herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that
brilliance was gone when she recovered but she was still very
bright -- and blind. She went on to lead a normal life.
Mike
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Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Hi,
I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example,
you
became blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I
knew
someone like that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but
was
blinded), I can see how one might not want to talk about
something
like that with strangers. Even veterans might have this problem
if
their war injuries caused them to lose their sight. In other
words,
I can see both sides of this. I think you should only tell
people
what you're comfortable telling them. If how you became blind
is
something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have to
reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't
normally go around
displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's
considered
by most to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was
born
blind, or for people who have lost their sight to things like
glaucoma or what have you, there's no shame in talking about it.
On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they
don't
know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
think it appropriate in the particular context.
this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
wondered about this all the time she knew me.
I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as
I'm
currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling
to
make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult -
she
really is an annoying individual.
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 21:33:29 -0500
From: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
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I almost always do it when I'm alone, too (or think that no one
is there.) I used to do it almost all the time and have had to
work a lot to stop doing it. It doesn't draw anything like the
comments it used to, though, which I take as a pretty good sign.
Kelby
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From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com
To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:25:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Eye Pressing
I have LCA as well, and I'll admit I've struggled with this. I
do find
that I do it most often when I'm either tired or stressed.
Luckily,
I've managed to control it so that I only do it when I'm alone.
I
don't know of any way to completely eradicate this habit. Maybe
it's
one of those things that gradually diminishes with age. When I
was a
kid, I did it much more frequently than I do now. I'm 23 now, so
maybe, the older you get, the less of a need you feel to do it?
On 5/17/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, everybody. It's time for me to admit an embarrassing
confession, and to ask an equally embarrassing confession. I
have struggled with the habit of eye pressing or poking since I
was just a baby, and it's still an issue to this day. I'm in
college and would really like to get it cleared for good. It's
much better than when I was little (back then it would interfere
with things socially, now it's intermitent and rarely commented
on.) I have LCA, and I have heard some other people with that
particular genetic condition say it is also a problem. Does
anyone have any strategies to recommend for ridding myself of
what remains of this admittedly annoying habit?
Kelby S. Carlson
Vanderbilt University
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 22:10:51 -0500
From: "Dave Hyde" <w.dave at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: [Blindtlk] Being asked why one is blind
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fOk, Mike. Let's take this to the logical end. If, one has reduced blindness
to a characteristic, and then if one is asked about it and nosium, then it
would become as annoying as someone being asked why their hair was so red,
their eyes so blue, or why so tall. This does annoy those who have the
aforementioned characteristics. They tend to give short, and sometimes
unkind answers. Now if we admit that Lou Alcindor (yes, I know his name is
different) or for those younger than you and me, Shakiel O'Neil, get little
grief about giving such answers to questions like "How's the weather up
there?", why should we who have the characteristic of blindness be chastised
for giving the same kind of answer to a question that we get all the time,
and most often, from those who don't really want to know?
Now I try to answer children. That is education. I try, most of the time, to
give responsive answers to adults who I believe want to know. But in the
original case of the question that started this thread, I'd probably go
Socratic. If particularly annoyed, I might ask what made her ask so many
questions.
The bottom line is that this sounds like a fine discussion over a beverage.
See you at national. I'll be sitting behind you Or, you could say, I got
your back.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Freeman
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:56 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
You got it! However, we do offer this view with the provisos that if and
only if the blind person has good training and opportunity, his/her
blindness can be reduced to a damned nuisance.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
Mihalakis
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:35 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
Good morning, don't organizations such as the Federation teach that
blindness is nothing more than an inconvenience, another personal
characteristic, like eye or hair color? Oughtn't then we also act as such,
while speaking of the condition of our peepers, and how they came to be as
such?Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>Ah, but, aren't we trying to educate the public that it's respectable
>to be blind? Well, aren't we? IF not, then you are right. IF so,
>well, perhaps it's time to see just where or if the rubber truly meats
>the road.
>
>
>Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
>blind built-in!
>Sincerely,
>The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>
>On May 17, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > I understand what you're saying. But would you advocate that
> > everyone should know this person's history? Blindness is an
> > uncomfortable topic for the average person in society to talk about;
> > suicide, or attempted suicide, even more so. Combine the two and you
> > might just send someone running away screaming. Sure, you could
> > claim that they're not worth your time, but the fact remains that
> > discretion is the key in such sensitive situations.
> > As I said, though, something like that is probably the exception
> to the rule.
> >
> > On 5/17/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >> It came to my mind that syphilis would also be one of those
> >> less-than-savory blindness causes -- but that's rare now.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, Desiree, I also knew a person who tried to commit
> >> suicide; she shot herself, woke up realizing she hadn't done the
> >> job, shot herself
> >> *again* and woke up in the hospital realizing all she'd done was
> >> blind herself. She had been a brilliant mathematician and that
> >> brilliance was gone when she recovered but she was still very
> >> bright -- and blind. She went on to lead a normal life.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Desiree Oudinot
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] People How Asking How one Became Blind
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I think there are two angles to consider here. If, for example, you
> >> became blind after trying unsuccessfully to kill yourself (I knew
> >> someone like that, he shot himself in the head, survived, but was
> >> blinded), I can see how one might not want to talk about something
> >> like that with strangers. Even veterans might have this problem if
> >> their war injuries caused them to lose their sight. In other words,
> >> I can see both sides of this. I think you should only tell people
> >> what you're comfortable telling them. If how you became blind is
> >> something highly personal or traumatic, you shouldn't have to
> >> reveal that to everyone you meet. After all, we don't
> normally go around
> >> displaying our emotional baggage for all to see, that's considered
> >> by most to be undignified. But for someone like me, who was born
> >> blind, or for people who have lost their sight to things like
> >> glaucoma or what have you, there's no shame in talking about it.
> >>
> >> On 5/16/13, wogg le4 <woggle4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi, I often people ask what is a personal question when they don't
> >>> know one very well. Why do they feel justified in doing so?
> >>>
> >>> I have no difficulty in discussing the subject but don't always
> >>> think it appropriate in the particular context.
> >>>
> >>> this email was prompted by a girl who remarked that she had
> >>> wondered about this all the time she knew me.
> >>>
> >>> I think she's a bit wierd anyway - it just got me thinking, as I'm
> >>> currently stuck on a train sitting beside this girl, struggling to
> >>> make conversation, which I'm finding particularly difficult - she
> >>> really is an annoying individual.
> >>>
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