[Blindtlk] an awkward experience

Wed Oct 9 02:07:55 UTC 2013

I understand and agree with what you say.

I'm not going to let someone slap hands over the eyes and pray ignorantly, 
but always will appreciate being on someone's prayer list for whatever God 
wants to accomplish with me in my life.  I'll tell people, I'm a prayer 
glutton, will receive any prayers on my behalf, and appreciate any prayers 
my way.

Judy

-----Original Message----- 
From: Christine Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:09 PM
To: Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an awkward experience

Hi everyone,
I just joined today, but my husband sent the experience you had, Michael. I 
may have a different opinion than you guys do, but then again I haven't had 
quite the same experience except for once. I was standing in line at Church 
waiting to sit down, when this random guy came behind me and turned to my 
left. All of a sudden I felt his left hand on my eyes. He said nothing, but 
I new what he was doing. He should have asked me if he could have prayed 
over me since I would have said of course.

I grew up in the Catholic charismatic Renewal, so I do believe in healing of 
all kinds. I have been prayed over many many times for my miracle, and I 
believe it will happen. My visual impairment is more medical since I have 
congenital glaucoma and have to go for eye appointments and surgeries often.

If someone were to come up to me in a store, most likely I would accept 
because I grew up with it. However, there must be some tact. I am not a 
"poor child" because of my visual impairment, for it is just an 
inconvenience. However, that doesn't mean I don't have hope for a miracle 
someday. Until then, I use adaptive technology and am happy with it until 
that day comes.

Michael, I am sorry for what happened to you. I think this person who prayed 
for you should have been a little more tactful. At least she didn't touch 
your eyes. :)

God bless,
Christine
On Oct 8, 2013, at 7:17 PM, "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> It's not off topic; John 9 is awesome.  Why is it that people forget that.
> Seems like they harcon back to old testament when the blind profit fell 
> dead
> when he found out that his sons died, or when the man rose from the
> wheelchair after jesus laid hands on him.  Or any number of other 
> instances.
> The one in John nine seems like that would be the deciding factor as that 
> it
> is in the new testament.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
> Olivares
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 6:58 PM
> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an awkward experience
>
> James,
>
> Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that. As a Catholic, I don't get that kind of
> thing within the Catholic Church, thank God. It brings to mind this 
> passage:
>
>> As he passed by, he saw a man blind from his birth. And his disciples
>> asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was
>> born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his
>> parents, but that the works of God might be made manifest in him."
>> (John 9:1-3 RSVCE)
>
>
> A bit off topic, but that came to mind.
>
> On Oct 8, 2013, at 6:33 PM, "James Kelm" <jameskelm at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello there...
>>
>>  I just thought that I would throw my own thoughts into this discussion.
>>
>>  As many of you on this list already know, I am a Christian pastor.  I
> have a church, and work fulltime within this position.  I mention this 
> only
> to say that I have perhaps a bit more familiarity with the Bible than a 
> lot
> of people, and have a recognized commitment to its teaching.  But this 
> still
> does not prevent those who are rude, ignorant, or just plain goofy from
> expressing themselves to me on the subject of my blindness.  I don't think
> that this is because they are any particular religion, belief system, etc. 
> I
> just think that they are rude people, and would be rude regardless of 
> their
> own justification.
>>
>>  A few weeks ago, I had a woman visit my church.  A few days after her
> visit, she came to my home.  After I had answered the door, she promptly
> said that she had to talk to me right away, and that it was very 
> important.
> This is not uncommon for a pastor, so thinking that she had some kind of a
> personal emergency, I invited her in.  After we had sat down, she began
> telling me that she really liked our church, and thought that I was a very
> good pastor/teacher.  She then proceeded to tell me that although she 
> liked
> our church, she could not regularly attend our services because as our
> church's leader, I had so much unrepented sin in my life!  I have dealt 
> with
> this kind of thing before, so had a good idea where she was going with it. 
> I
> asked her to please explain herself to me.  She then went on to explain to
> me that unrepented sin was the only reason that I was blind.  I went on to
> gently explain to her that she was not understanding Scripture properly. 
> I
> was actually quite shocked when she then told me, "I don't care what the
> Bible says...  I know what I know, and God has revealed things to me
> directly".  She went on to explain to me that I shouldn't be allowed to 
> lead
> a congregation, until I addressed the sin that was obviously within my own
> life!
>>  So I guess the moral of my story is, that some people are just stupid,
> and sometimes even our Lord's teaching can't help stupid!
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Pastor James Kelm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: o
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:07 PM
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an awkward experience
>>
>> Oh Marion - you have made my day!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: National Association of Guide Dog Users <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:04 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] an awkward experience
>>
>>
>> Michael,
>> I once went to my local grocery store and the person assigned to help
>> me shop asked me if I believed in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
>> I replied that I did, but probably not with the same understanding he
>> has. He told me that, if I believed, I could be healed. I replied that
>> I had already been healed of the false perceptions of blindness and
>> that my blindness was actually a source of healing for others as I
>> share my philosophy of independence and self-determination. He became
>> a little indignant and said he was referring to me getting my sight
>> back. I asked him why he thought that was important and he told me
>> blindness wasn't normal. I asked him when he was going to be healed.
>> He became a little puzzled and asked me what I meant. I told him that
>> he was shorter than normal and black, not something that is normal in
>> our town, so, given his logic and definition, he needed healing! Was
>> Jesus going to heal him of his shortness and blackness? He told me I
>> didn't understand what he was saying. I told him it was more that he
>> did not understand what I was saying. He said, "God bless you!' and I
> replied, "She does!" The conversation ended quite abruptly!
>>
>> Peace!
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Michael
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 9:24 AM
>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] an awkward experience
>>
>> Good morning folks,  I lost my sight six years ago and went through a
>> very dark time for a couple of years and eventually became comfortable
>> with who I am and have since then gone on to do most of what I did 
>> before.
>>
>> But I had an experience yesterday that I didn't know how to handle.  I
>> was at the gym and had just completed an hour of cardio.  I was
>> sitting at a table located in the center of the gym floor cooling down
>> when a woman began a conversation with me.  She said that she was
>> sitting at the table also (which I
>> doubt) and that God had put her there to talk to me and that she was an
>> evangelist.   She asked if she could talk to me.  When I answered in the
>> affirmative she stood next to me, took my hand in both of her hands,
>> and began praying over me.  She asked God to help this poor  child,
>> saying that Jesus had healed the sick, cured the blind, and raised the
>> dead.  She prayed for over a minute (at least it felt like), using
>> verbage that I only hear on Sunday morning.  Then she finished and
>> left me sitting there.  I was shocked and didn't know what to say.  I
>> let her do her thing thinking that I had probably made her feel
>> positive about herself by helping "this poor child".  Understand that
>> I am a christian but have never had such an embarrassing display since
>> losing my sight.  Has this happened to others, and how did you handle 
>> such
> a display?
>>
>> Michael
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>> Respectfully Yours in Christ,
>> Pastor James Kelm
>> True Hope Church of Duluth
>> Phone: (218) 727-4186
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