[Blindtlk] Confronting Discrimination at McDonald's
Mark Tardif
markspark at roadrunner.com
Sun Jul 13 21:38:42 UTC 2014
With all due respect, I'm not sure that the public generally does believe
that this type of discrimination is necessary, simply because the public
generally doesn't know that it happens just like the general public knows
less about any issues regarding blindness. An example has to do with the
minimum wage fight. Many fast food workers are treated horribly and are
paid, (pardon the profanity here), shit for wages and simply cannot make it
on those wages without getting some sort of public assistance. For many
years it was believed that one could not organize those workers to stand up
for themselves. Now we are beginning to hear about these workers and
workers at other slave stores like Walmart, pardon my obvious anger here,
are starting to say "no, we are bing mistreated." I understand that in some
instances people have pointed out to these protesting workers that a number
of people with disability work in sweat shops for less than the minimum
wage. These workers typically have no idea that this practice is going on,
and they are appalled when they hear about it. That's why I say it isn't
that the public condones this discrimination, but simply that they are not
even aware of it. Pardon me for referring to Walmart as a slave store
earlier, but for a number of reasons, some of which have to do with how they
pay their workers, I will shop there only if it is a dire necessity.
Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Kelm via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:14 AM
To: Lauren Merryfield ; 'Marion Gwizdala' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Confronting Discrimination at McDonald's
Dear friends,
I thought that I would jump in here on this topic. As far as how the
situation was dealt with in this particular situation, my only actual
comment is that with all of the education that we are constantly bombarded
with in the media, and with what I personally think is a general over kill
with political correctness issues, I don't think that there is any excuse
for a professional business owner, or one who is in a position of authority
such as a manager, not knowing something as fundamental as the fact that
guide dogs are allowed in public places! We hear so often about so many
other types of discrimination, but it seems as if the general public simply
perceives discrimination toward the disabled, especially the blind, as being
often understandable and in fact necessary! I think that this is so sad,
and while some of us may have approached this particular situation
differently considering our own individual personalities, I think that the
greater point is that the issue was addressed firmly, politely, and
immediately. Only when we address such issues directly, will things begin
to change. I think of the civil rights situations in the 60's, and wonder
how many people would think that those who were discriminated against should
have simply been quieter, less confrontational, and or were only
demonstrating their "thin skin", or "over sensitivity". I say this last,
because whenever the topic of discrimination comes up in conversation with
one particular family member of mine, his response is to often tell me that
I am overly sensitive, and that I should developed thicker skin. He
explains that everyone is simply trying to accommodate people's individual
needs, and that true discrimination, in his experience, rarely actually
happens toward the disabled. He has explained on more than one occasion,
that he has witnessed people going out of their way to accommodate blind
people. Of course it is of note that he is not blind, and does not
regularly spend time in public situations with any blind folks. He lives on
the other end of the country as me, so we only visit each other once every
couple years or so!
I encountered discrimination that was especially noticeable a few years
ago, when a local business informed me that they had a policy that "because
of safety concerns", they would not allow blind people to be involved with
their business services. They actually went as far as to tell my sighted
wife that she would have to go home and get her glasses, and she would not
be allowed to enter the business unless she proved that she could read small
print, and thereby demonstrate that she was not visually impaired! I later
went to one of their competitors, who informed me that they not only would
eagerly invite blind folks into their business, but expressed true gratitude
for anyone who wanted to help others! (It was a business where folks could
donate blood to help hospitals and such) I spoke to an attorney, and it has
been resolved. But we have to stand up with each other, to say... "As an
American, I have a right to be treated with respect and dignity, and to be
allowed to function in public as the law allows"!
Thank you for letting me ramble! LOLL
Respectfully,
James Kelm
-----Original Message-----
From: Lauren Merryfield via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:49 PM
To: 'Marion Gwizdala' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Confronting Discrimination at McDonald's
Hi,
Some blind people, especially those who don't get out much, say that they
are never discriminated against, so they believe no blind people are; that
we are just being critical of sighted people. It's like they think "because
it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen." I've met several blind people
through my life with this attitude. Those of us who are out in the world and
do, indeed, experience discrimination, sometimes quite often, know it really
does happen. Also, some blind people don't want to stick their necks out or
move out of their own comfort zone far enough to empathize with someone
else. They want to play it safe and not get involved. I've been trying to
get one of my friends I've known since kindergarten to join the NFB and she
just says "I'm not a joiner," and stays home all the time unless a sighted
person invites her out and drives her to a restaurant etc. She tells me we
exaggerate about discrimination because it never happens to her. Sighted
people are always nice to her, she says. That drives me crazy! She thinks we
protest too much. I think she hides out too much. We all have our own,
possibly somewhat limited perspectives. I do believe you that discrimination
happened. Furthermore, McDonalds used to have braille on their drink lids
and they no longer do. I wonder what that is about?
Thanks
Lauren, who is out in the world nearly every single day and things do happen
out there, and not always friendly things.
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world without end. Amen.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marion
Gwizdala via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:08 PM
To: 'Ray Foret Jr'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Confronting Discrimination at McDonald's
Ray,
Again, you can criticize the way it was handled, if you wish; it is
my experience that, when we confront discrimination, we are made to be the
offenders while the person promulgating the discrimination is defended. We
were discriminated against and you defend the perpetrator?
Marion Gwizdala
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From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Foret
Jr via blindtlk
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:43 PM
To: Cherylandmaxx; Blind Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Confronting Discrimination at McDonald's
Well, I would say that the way you handled that was spot on. What I feel
the necessity to point out here is this. My issue is not with what was
said: rather, the way it was said. Believe me folks, that does make a
bigger difference than you might imagine.
Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!
On Jul 12, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Cherylandmaxx via blindtlk
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I had similar issues back in 2010 when we went to our local Old
> country
buffet restaurant. Now when we got there same thing we had been there at
least twice a month since they opened.
>
> Nelson speaks Spanish the staff the manager who we know was out at a
meeting and the staff were primary Spanish. They lied and told us that they
spoke to the manager told us we weren't allowed to bring in the dog. Nelson
explained in Spanish that it was against the law. Some of the other patrons
told them the same.
>
> They said they didn't care.
>
> I called the local news station here called the police got a report.
Plus since this was at our local mall we got mall management and security
involved.
>
> The manager who we know saw the story on the news. Called the mall to
> get
our contact and apologized. The restaurant staff got a presentation from me
and Nelson a few days later. The people who treated us like crap were
there and said in front of the managers that they would do it again if it
happened. The managers fired these employees
>
> Apologized to us and have a sign in window about that they proudly
> welcome
all service animals.
>
> We did all we could. But there will always bad apples in the bunch.
>
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Echevarria Travel
> www.echevarriatravel.com
> Echevarriatravelblog.com
> 631-456-5394
> Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> Cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Marion
> Gwizdala
via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> </div><div>Date:07/12/2014 3:39 PM
(GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National
Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,'Florida Association of
Guide Dog Users' <flagdu at nfbnet.org>,nagdu-leaders at nfbnet.org,'New York
Association of Guide Dog Users' <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>,'Blind Talk Mailing
List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> </div><div>Subject: [Blindtlk] Confronting
Discrimination at McDonald's </div><div>
> </div>
> Please feel free to disseminate and repost this message as widely as
> appropriate.
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Some of you were unable to access the video, so, thanks
> to a fellow Federationist who posted it to his YouTube channel, here
> it is to view!I have also included a brief narrative from merry that
> will offer a little more background before the link.
>
>
>
> Fraternaly yours,
>
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
>
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>
> National Federation of the Blind
>
> (813) 626-2789
>
> (888) 624-3841 (Hotline)
>
> President at nagdu.org
>
> http://www.nagdu.org
>
>
>
> High expectations create unlimited potential for the blind!
>
>
>
>
>
> Before everyone views the video I will give a brief description of
> what happened before the video was taken.
>
>
>
> Marion and I walked into our local McDonalds- we have been in this
> restaurant hundreds of times. I have lived in this area off and on
> since
> 1988 and have been a permanent resident since 1997. Marion and I
> bought our house here in 2003. This area is great for pedestrians
> because it has some stores and restaurants within walking distance -
perfect for our lifestyle.
>
>
> Continuing on...
>
> We stood together in the lobby waiting for an available cashier for a
> few minutes. When we approached the counter a young man came from
> the back of the restaurant and stated that the manager said no dogs
> allowed. We shared these were service dogs and the cashier stated it
> as well. I then asked to speak with his manager, he replied that his
manager did not speak English.
>
> I was actually dumbfounded by this. We ordered our food and got our
> drinks and sat down to eat.
>
>
>
> As we ate we discussed with each other that we needed to educate the
> manager before we left and video this interaction. We were going to
> ask for a translater. We video recorded an introduction before
> moving towards the counter area. As we began to move toward the
> counter area the manager approached us.
>
>
>
> Now some thoughts before we spoke to her. Yes our neighborhood has a
> great deal of Hispanic speaking individuals, our local Latin American
> Grocery store has the best and cheapest Cuban sandwiches. Back to
> topic: As we discussed over our meal although there is a great deal
> of Hispanic speaking individuals in our neighborhood there is a higher
> percentage of English speaking people. It did not make sense to us
> that McDonalds would put a manager in a restaurant that does not speak
> English well. The video will show that the manager still claims she
> speaks little English. After the recording, our cashier was in the
> lobby taking a break and I asked her if the manager spoke English she
> stated she did. Unfortunately, as the video will demonstrate, the
> manager took no responsibility for her employees actions and basically
threw them under the bus.
>
>
>
> We have worked in the past with this McDonalds to do local events and
> have contacted a member of upper management (Director of Marketing)
> for the Corporation. I am sure we will hear from him on Monday. He
> can view the video as well.
>
>
>
> I was a restaurant manager in 1984 and if something liked this
> occurred in my store, I would have been proactive! I would have been
> at my customer's table while they were eating, took their receipt,
> reimbursed them their money, gave them tickets for free meals on their
> next visit,and I would have told them my employees were wrong in
> their behavior and I would train them appropriately. This manager did
> none of these things and only appeared to have her employees do her
> dirty work and then be deceitful in the area of communicating with us.
> Apologies are not well received when they don't appear genuine! Now
> for
the video!
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/kePK2vedOog
>
>
>
> Merry Schoch, Vice President
>
> Florida Association of Guide dog Users
>
>
>
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