[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Mon Sep 8 02:08:14 UTC 2014

I come somewhat late to this thread, but, I  find I have something to say.

1.  While I would agree that the clicking with the tongue is, to speak frankly, not socially acceptible, and it is best to avoid looking and sounding like a fool as you make your way here and there, I would ask us to all just stop taking things so personally and just think objectivly for a moment about what is really going on here.  Whether one clicks with the tongue, or taps with the cane, essentially, the same thing is happening:  all be it in different ways for each of us.  The plain and simple fact is that we all use the same echo location method whether we want to admit it or not.  Perhaps what has happened is that the tongue clickers have given echo location a bad name due to the habit that they have fallen in to of using their tongues to produce the sound:  and, this, for some reason, has caused cane users to refer to the very same use of sound bouncing off things as something other than what it really is, (echo location).  Cane users have, perhaps if only  subconciously, looked down on tongue clickers for doing essentially the very same that cane users themselves do except that they tap a cane rather than click the tongue.  How do I know?  Well, I'll tell you.  I did it myself:  and both ways.  The fact is this.  No matter how the sound is produced, what the use of it is is to detect the sounds of echo bouncing off walls and objects in order to determin verious factors about it.  IF I had no cane, perhaps I might choose to make the sound in another way.  But, the bottom line appears to be that, one way or the other, we are all using, (in different ways) the same technique.

Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

On Sep 7, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Fellow Listers,
> 
> Whether we agree or disagree with Brian's earlier comments and/or the way in
> which they were written, I find it useless for us to debate on-list the
> merits of a particular post. As with all other views expressed here, the
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> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Schulz via blindtlk
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 8:26 PM
> To: Judy Jones; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> 
> hi,
> 
> thank you judy, at least one person agrees with me.
> Bryan Schulz
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Judy Jones via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
> 
> 
>> To my mind, the clicking required is not socially acceptable.  I'm a firm 
>> believer in object perception, though, and that it works.  Plus the fact, 
>> the tapping of a cane can substitute for clicking.  Just my opinion.
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM
>> To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>> 
>> I don't get it, but I know people who have attained quite a bit of skill 
>> in
>> echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal friend and one of the 
>> people
>> who pioneered the concept, it's a learned skill and not a natural talent.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
>> Wayland via blindtlk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM
>> To: 'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>> 
>> Some of the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in my opinion, way
>> above the capability of the human ear.  This is probably going to be 
>> another
>> one of these false things we have to explain all the time along with not
>> having super hearing, identifying dollar bills, and colors  by touch.
>> Larry
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
>> Schulz via blindtlk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM
>> To: Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> when sighted people didn't understand why you were clucking, did anyone 
>> ask
>> if you lay eggs?
>> even i have learned that it is better for someone to see you with a cane
>> instead of looking like a drunk!
>> Bryan Schulz
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Christine Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing
>> List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>> 
>> 
>>> Good morning, Christine,
>>> 
>>>        In elementary school although I am a total, I, too, never used
>>> a cane finding that my orientation of the schools lay-out, coupled
>>> with echolocation was enough to get me around. I bet you also have
>>> pretty refined echolocation?
>>> for today, Car
>>> impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have mentioned, I am from
>>> a small town born and raised. This means I am very familiar with my
>>> surroundings so I don't always use my cane. Judging someone because
>>> he/she is blind is ridiculous.
>>> 
>>>> I think this whole thing of asking someone to move is awful unless
>>>> it's an emergency. I think we should never judge someone. How would
>>>> you like if someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're not
>>>> blind." Eric, would you like that? I don't think you would appreciate
>>>> being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only that, but she is a
>> woman for Gosh sakes.
>>>> Where is the respect men should give women? Chivalry has gone right
>>>> out the window, but that's a discussion for another day.
>>>> 
>>>> God bless,
>>>> Christine
>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> HI
>>>>> Since when does not having a cane mean that you aren't
>>>> blind.  Very very judgmental.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
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