[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Judy Jones jtj1 at cableone.net
Mon Sep 8 03:54:30 UTC 2014 

That's true, those surfaces mute noise, and snow definitely swallows sound.

Judy


-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson via blindtlk
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:14 PM
To: Bryan Schulz via blindtlk
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works

Brian and Judy,

I also have some uneasy feelings about clicking to locate objects even 
though I done it myself.  I would point out, though, that a cane makes very 
little
noise on carpet or on
grass, and that is often when there are not other obvious clews.  When I am 
on a hard surface, I often can hear objects by the tapping of a cane.
However, a sound source near the level of one's ears instead of
on the ground works significantly better.  It seems as though, as mentioned 
elsewhere, that some sort of electronic sound source might give us much of 
this
information in a more acceptable manner.

This does not involve "clucking" though.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:25:43 -0500, Bryan Schulz via blindtlk wrote:

>hi,

>thank you judy, at least one person agrees with me.
>Bryan Schulz


>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Judy Jones via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>To: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works


>> To my mind, the clicking required is not socially acceptable.  I'm a firm
>> believer in object perception, though, and that it works.  Plus the fact,
>> the tapping of a cane can substitute for clicking.  Just my opinion.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
>> Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM
>> To: 'Larry Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
>>
>> I don't get it, but I know people who have attained quite a bit of skill
>> in
>> echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal friend and one of the
>> people
>> who pioneered the concept, it's a learned skill and not a natural talent.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
>> Wayland via blindtlk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM
>> To: 'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>>
>> Some of the clames I have heard about EchoLocation is, in my opinion, way
>> above the capability of the human ear.  This is probably going to be
>> another
>> one of these false things we have to explain all the time along with not
>> having super hearing, identifying dollar bills, and colors  by touch.
>> Larry
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindtlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
>> Schulz via blindtlk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM
>> To: Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> when sighted people didn't understand why you were clucking, did anyone
>> ask
>> if you lay eggs?
>> even i have learned that it is better for someone to see you with a cane
>> instead of looking like a drunk!
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Christine Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing 
>> List"
>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk 
>> Mailing
>> List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.): Bringing the right
>> attitude out
>>
>>
>>> Good morning, Christine,
>>>
>>>         In elementary school although I am a total, I, too, never used
>>> a cane finding that my orientation of the schools lay-out, coupled
>>> with echolocation was enough to get me around. I bet you also have
>>> pretty refined echolocation?
>>> for today, Car
>>> impairment and don't always use a cane. As I have mentioned, I am from
>>> a small town born and raised. This means I am very familiar with my
>>> surroundings so I don't always use my cane. Judging someone because
>>> he/she is blind is ridiculous.
>>>
>>>>I think this whole thing of asking someone to move is awful unless
>>>>it's an emergency. I think we should never judge someone. How would
>>>>you like if someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh, you're not
>>>>blind." Eric, would you like that? I don't think you would appreciate
>>>>being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not only that, but she is a
>> woman for Gosh sakes.
>>>>Where is the respect men should give women? Chivalry has gone right
>>>>out the window, but that's a discussion for another day.
>>>>
>>>>God bless,
>>>>Christine
>>>>On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > HI
>>>> > Since when does not having a cane mean that you aren't
>>>> blind.  Very very judgmental.
>>>> >
>>>> > Marsha
>>>> >
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