[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works
Robin
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Mon Sep 8 12:15:41 UTC 2014
Regarding the instruction of EchoLocation (i.e.,
FlashSonar), 2 of the people I hear who train
people in its use are Justin Louchart and Daniel Kish.
Daniel Kish is probably the individual, who
demonstrated cycling using EchoLocation (i.e., FlashSonar).
I've heard he has established a NonProfit
Organization in Southern California (World Access
for the Blind), and frequently travels the world
teaching its use. He is also the individual, who
taught Ben Underwood, who Passed Away.
What is more "socially acceptable" a White Cane
or a GuideDog, a White Cane or "Tongue Clicking,
Tongue Clicking or a GuideDog? I say whatever
works although it would greatly enhance an
individual's repitoire if he/she possessed at
least 2 of the 3 Mobility skills to rely on. This
is just my personal opinion. I don't really care
if it is "socially acceptable" or not
At 04:01 AM 9/8/2014, you wrote:
>They make clickers that are mechanical. they
>aren't electronic, just a piece of metal bent in
>such a way that when you push it, it makes a
>click sound. they cost about $1 and can be
>found in any pet store. they were first used in
>dolphin training, but are now used in all sorts
>of animal training. I'm not sure that it's much
>more socially acceptable to go around clicking
>one of these things than it would be to do the
>tongue click though. Probably a bit, but I still
>think you'd look odd unless you had a dog along
>that you were training. I'd also like to add a
>note about the concept of socially
>acceptable. the cane is considered socially
>acceptable because we, blind folks, have made it
>so. If, instead many moons ago, ancient blind
>folks decided that the click noise was the way
>to go and used that and educated sighted folks
>on that, then the clicks would be what is
>socially acceptable. It's all in the history
>and the perception. There is nothing more or
>less weird about the clicking. It's just not
>what we are used to. If all blind people
>everywhere decided to use exclusively
>echolocation and use clicking, it would soon
>become the norm and socially acceptable. Just
>sayin' Julie -----Original Message----- From:
>Steve Jacobson via blindtlk Sent: Sunday,
>September 07, 2014 9:25 PM To: Christine
>Olivares via blindtlk Subject: Re: [Blindtlk]
>Echolocation: How it Works Part of the challenge
>is that one feels a little conspicuous clicking
>sometimes as that is sometimes associated with
>other developmental disabilities. It is too bad
>in a way because it is effective. I have found
>that I can get some of the same information,
>though, from the tapping of my cane, snapping my
>fingers, and from rattling keys. I have
>sometimes thought that some sort of electronic
>sound source could be developed that could be
>even more effective and also more socially
>acceptable. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun,
>7 Sep 2014 20:23:10 -0400, Christine Olivares
>via blindtlk wrote: >Hello all, >I have a
>totally blind friend who uses echo location but
>he does not click. >He will use his foot and
>stamp on the ground or floor. On the other
>hand, >my husband is also blind and he doesn’t
>need to click with his tongue. He can “hearâ€
>buildings or objects approach, which would
>prevent him from running into them. In college,
>we had to cross a driveway. when I was with him,
>I would ask, “Is there a car today?†Nine
>times out of ten he could tell if a car was
>blocking the path, which I could see so I could
>verify it. >I think different people can access
>this echo location different ways, and >maybe it
>is just easier for some people to click. I
>can’t judge it as I don’t >have this
>skill. >God bless, >Christine >On Sep 7, 2014,
>at 7:53 PM, Larry Wayland via
>blindtlk ><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> Yes,
>object perception works, but I don't think it
>works to the point >> some >> of these people
>who clame to use echoLocation does. I agree the
>tapping >> of >> the cane should work just as
>well and be much more acceptable. >> >> >> >>
>-----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Judy >> Jones >> via blindtlk >> Sent:
>Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:26 PM >> To: Chris
>Nusbaum; Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: Re:
>[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works >> >> To
>my mind, the clicking required is not socially
>acceptable. I'm a firm >> believer in object
>perception, though, and that it works. Plus the
>fact, >> the tapping of a cane can substitute
>for clicking. Just my opinion. >> >>
>Judy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>
>From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk >> Sent:
>Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:49 PM >> To: 'Larry
>Wayland' ; 'Blind Talk Mailing List' >> Subject:
>[Blindtlk] Echolocation: How it Works >> >> I
>don't get it, but I know people who have
>attained quite a bit of skill >> in >>
>echolocation. According to Dan Kish, a personal
>friend and one of the >> people >> who pioneered
>the concept, it's a learned skill and not a
>natural talent. >> >> -----Original
>Message----- >> From: blindtlk
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Larry >> Wayland via blindtlk >> Sent:
>Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:22 PM >> To:
>'Bryan Schulz'; 'Blind Talk Mailing List' >>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference,
>(Cont.): Bringing the right >> attitude
>out >> >> Some of the clames I have heard about
>EchoLocation is, in my opinion, way >> above the
>capability of the human ear. This is probably
>going to be >> another >> one of these false
>things we have to explain all the time along
>with not >> having super hearing, identifying
>dollar bills, and colors by touch. >> Larry >>
>-----Original Message----- >> From: blindtlk
>[mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Bryan >> Schulz via blindtlk >> Sent:
>Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:34 PM >> To:
>Carly Mihalakis; Blind Talk Mailing List >>
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference,
>(Cont.): Bringing the right >> attitude
>out >> >> hi, >> >> when sighted people didn't
>understand why you were clucking, did anyone >>
>ask >> if you lay eggs? >> even i have learned
>that it is better for someone to see you with a
>cane >> instead of looking like a drunk! >>
>Bryan Schulz >> >> >> ----- Original Message
>----- >> From: "Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk"
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >> To: "Christine
>Olivares" <rafael4490 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk
>Mailing >> List" >> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>;
>"Marsha" <marcatony at yahoo.com>; "Blind Talk >>
>Mailing >> List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >> Cc:
>"Eric Calhoun" <eric at pmpmail.com> >> Sent:
>Saturday, September 06, 2014 9:06 AM >> Subject:
>Re: [Blindtlk] Making a Difference, (Cont.):
>Bringing the right >> attitude out >> >> >>>
>Good morning, Christine, >>> >>> In
>elementary school although I am a total, I, too,
>never used >>> a cane finding that my
>orientation of the schools lay-out, coupled >>>
>with echolocation was enough to get me around. I
>bet you also have >>> pretty refined
>echolocation? >>> for today, Car >>> impairment
>and don't always use a cane. As I have
>mentioned, I am from >>> a small town born and
>raised. This means I am very familiar with
>my >>> surroundings so I don't always use my
>cane. Judging someone because >>> he/she is
>blind is ridiculous. >>> >>>> I think this whole
>thing of asking someone to move is awful
>unless >>>> it's an emergency. I think we should
>never judge someone. How would >>>> you like if
>someone didn't see your cane and said, "Oh,
>you're not >>>> blind." Eric, would you like
>that? I don't think you would appreciate >>>>
>being judged, assume this woman was blind. Not
>only that, but she is a >> woman for Gosh
>sakes. >>>> Where is the respect men should give
>women? Chivalry has gone right >>>> out the
>window, but that's a discussion for another
>day. >>>> >>>> God bless, >>>> Christine >>>> On
>Sep 3, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Marsha via blindtlk
><blindtlk at nfbnet.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>
>HI >>>>> Since when does not having a cane mean
>that you aren't >>>> blind. Very very
>judgmental. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>>
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