[Blindtlk] Illegal Expulsions

Wed Sep 24 15:28:12 UTC 2014

Thank you for that clarification, Mark. I understood your joke; I was commenting on Peter Donahue's comments and the mini-debate which ensued.

Chris Nusbaum

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> On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> I also think I need to clarify something here.  When I mentioned being expelled from the NFB yesterday, I was kidding around.  I was very angry about an article I had just read, so much so that I wanted to curse, and therefore said that what I would have to say about this article was "unprintable on a public list," and then I went further and joked that if I said what I really thought in the crude way I wanted to say it, someone might see that as behavior unbecoming of a Federationist and might want to expel me.  But I was kidding around.
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> 
> Mark Tardif
> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via blindtlk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: Ray Foret Jr ; Blind Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Illegal Expulsions
> 
> I too am unfamiliar with the politics of the Texas affiliate, but I might suggest that this list is not the appropriate place to discuss it. Though our purpose here is in fact to discuss issues surrounding the Federation, discussing what the Texas affiliate or the national board should or should not do year would accomplish nothing. If someone feels that Texas ought to be looked at by the national board for a parent wrong doings there, that person might be better served by contacting the board or the president directly. Just my thoughts.
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> Chris Nusbaum
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>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I think you missunderstand somewhat.  If a member of the federation conducts himself or herself in a way which is unbecoming to a federationist:  (that is to say that if the person attacks personally any officer or member of the federation politically or with the intent of destroying the good name of that person) that individual can be expelled. I am not familiar with what has been going on in Texas, but, frankly, someone made a remark which causes me to think that they believe the national board most likely needs to take a closer look at Texas and perhaps correct some wrong doings there.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Carly Mihalakis via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Afternoon, Peter, and everyone
>>> ,
>>>      Please pardon any ignorance on my part but, ought it matter whom frequents meetings? I mean, by virtue of a person's presence at said meetings, doesn't that indicate their having blind people's best interests in mind?
>>> CarAt 07:22 PM 9/22/2014, Linda via blindtlk wrote:
>>>> Excuse my ignorance. If a person is not a member of an organization, then how can they be expelled? I suppose if the non-members are disruptive, then they should not be at the meeting.  If these people are respectful, then what is the issue in allowing them to attend?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Peter Donahue via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Mark and everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blind individuals were "Expelled" from this organization     who weren't members or chose not to renew their membership due to problems in their local chapter. Texas is one affiliate that has done this and needs to be held accountable by the national organization for such negligence. A simple check of the current dues paying members of our local chapter could have prevented this from happening. Let that get out in the press and media. No one will want to join an organization with a record of expelling non-renewing members.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tardif via blindtlk" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] Vote on U.N. disability treaty blocked
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bloody figures, of course.  That's all I'm going to say because what I really feel like saying is simply unprintable on an open list.  So much so, in fact, that someone might want to throw me out of NFB for behavior not becoming of a Federationist, grin.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sherri via blindtlk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:58 AM
>>>>>> To: NFB Talk Mailing List ; blindtlk at nfbnet.org ; nfbf-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Blindtlk] Vote on U.N. disability treaty blocked
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just passing on. Don't want to start a debate!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sherri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Vote On UN Disability Treaty Blocked
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By Michelle Diament | September 17, 2014
>>>>>> An objection from a Republican senator Wednesday derailed an attempt to
>>>>>> bring a vote on ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights
>>>>>> of Persons
>>>>>> with Disabilities. (Thinkstock)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> An objection from a Republican senator Wednesday derailed an attempt to
>>>>>> bring a vote on ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights
>>>>>> of Persons
>>>>>> with Disabilities. (Thinkstock)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> An effort in the U.S. Senate to bring a vote on an international disability
>>>>>> rights treaty has been squashed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, took to the Senate floor Wednesday calling for a
>>>>>> unanimous consent vote on the United Nations Convention on the Rights of
>>>>>> Persons
>>>>>> with Disabilities.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The senator requested two hours of debate on the treaty with no amendments
>>>>>> followed by an up-or-down vote much like the Senate did two years ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Within minutes, however, the plan was shot down with an objection from Sen.
>>>>>> Mike Lee, R-Utah, who said that two hours of debate was insufficient and
>>>>>> indicated
>>>>>> that amendments should be allowed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "There are a number of our colleagues, both on and off the committee, who
>>>>>> have concerns with this treaty," Lee said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The U.N. Convention, which establishes an international standard for
>>>>>> disability rights similar to what's already in place domestically through
>>>>>> the Americans
>>>>>> with Disabilities Act, was signed by the United States in 2009, but Senate
>>>>>> approval is needed for ratification and official participation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The treaty is broadly supported by disability advocates and many civil
>>>>>> rights, faith, business and veterans organizations. However, critics
>>>>>> spearheaded
>>>>>> by the Home School Legal Defense Association contend that the treaty would
>>>>>> compromise U.S. sovereignty.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A previous effort in 2012 to ratify the U.N. Convention
>>>>>> failed
>>>>>> in the Senate on a largely party-lines vote.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Harkin said it was "another sad, irresponsible day in the U.S. Senate" after
>>>>>> Lee's objection derailed his hope for a new vote.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Earlier this week, the United Nations announced that 150 countries have
>>>>>> ratified the disability treaty.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sherri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Character is the side of yourself you choose to show the world.
>>>>>> Integrity is what you do, what you say and how you act when you think no one
>>>>>> is paying attention.
>>>>>> Sherri Brun
>>>>>> NFBF Newsline Chair
>>>>>> flmom2006 at gmail.com
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