[Blindtlk] Reading Info on Cards

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 11:43:57 UTC 2015 

Ah, sure, and I didn't mean to sound aggressive. I was just robbed in August
and don't even know how. I will do things differently from how I have, but
you do have to be vigilant, but you cannot totally make yourself safe. So
Yeah, I do understand. I had the on-line thievery, too, and I think it was
less secure then, but it will still happen, and more and more people have
come to be able to hack. I doubt there are really good and easy answers, or
maybe even hard ones.
Cindy


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Just my age I guess:). Not growing up with Facebook, Twitter, and the like
and in an era when privacy was much more valued, I am just not all that
comfortable with crowd sourcing and social media when it comes to things
like  personally identifying info. Also given that I was robbed about a year
ago, had a site where I had given some credit card info was hacked, and one
place where I worked had personal information about finances... from many
people at that place stolen, has made me much more cautious about my privacy
and obviously much more paranoid (yep I admit and proudly accept that quirk
in my personality).

  Ok, done venting on the paranoid part of this topic. Those are my last two
cents (and they are not from my credit card:))! Thus, I am jumping out of
this part of the discussion as this  portion of the topic has the likelihood
of growing agressive and I do not want to take this list in that direction
as I value all of your opinions and love the list!
Happy weekend all!
Chris

Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu

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Yes, but then my point is that you are probably going to either have to wait
until you are with someone you trust or you are going to have to take the
chance doing that, see if you can get a picture that you could show someone
you know on-line, and of course you could be hacked anyway, or you have to
go to the bank someday, hoping you can trust the person you have read it
there. I understand how you feel about it, but I really think you are over
thinking this. It could happen, yes. I had $200 stolen out of my bank
account and don't know how, but you just sometimes have to take those
chances or wait. I personally would prefer to take the chance, but that's
just me.
Cindy


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Hi,
  I guess a part of why I am concerned about doing it with something like Be
My Eyes is that even the developer of that app has explicitly and
emphatically stated that users should NOT show anything personal (he gave
examples of: any part at all of a credit card and mail that is personally
identifying...) as the sighted members of the app are  not specifically
pre-screened) so it is not safe to do so. In other words, it is the same
idea as just taking a picture of that part of your credit card, posting it
to the public part of your Facebook page or twitter account, and saying, can
anyone out there read this for me.
Have a great weekend,
Chris
Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu

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I think if you become that paranoid about getting sighted assistance, then
you are going to have a lot of things not read. If you give your card to a
waiter, if you hand it to someone to run on an inaccessible ATM machine, if
you put it in an ATM machine and someone has a skimmer behind you, someone
can get your information. You just have to be watching for it to happen as I
did. You really don't want to live like this. In the amount of time you are
spending trying to find a way to read it, you can have had it read and you
can be pretty sure it was read accurately. Mostly the volunteers on
bemyeyes.org are fairly likely to be trustworthy, and if they are not, then
they will surely be banned. I hope one day we can easily read these cards,
but I think currently, you just have to go with good old trust.
Cindy Lou Ray


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Hi,
  That is a good point, however, I am assuming, and maybe this is wrong, but
because the letters are raised and you can feel their indentations in the
back side, I would assume that someone using the other end of the Be My Eyes
app could take a picture of the back of your card (say with someone else'
iPhone while talking with you)...) of what you are showing them and be able
to figure out that info. Since your credit card or bank's name along with
the letters ATM are on the back of the card, if they can see the letter
indentations from the front side, they now have all of your info (credit
card number, possibly date of expiration, security code, and card type and
possibly bank location. As I said, my assumption here may be completely
wrong.
have a great weekend all,
Chris

Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu

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Hello Christine,
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. In my experience, the
pin number is sent in a separate envelope from the ATM card. So, the pin
number never appears on the card of the paper to which the card comes
attached. The pin number is not associated with any other numbers on the
sheet it appears on. So, in my experience, there is no pin number on a card.

It sounds to me as if what you are wanting is the three digit security code,
not a pin number.

If it's the security code, then this typically appears on the back of the
card. So, nobody you asked to read the security code to you would be able to
see the numbers and other identifying bank information that is written on
the front of the card.
In a situation like this, I'd be much happier to use a stranger on Be My
Eyes than I would be to use a neighbour, since a stranger on the other side
of this appw would have no other info than three little numbers which they
read out. Besides, one can use Be My Eyes from the comfort of your own home.

I wouldn't use a service like Be My Eyes dot ORG to read all the info on the
front of the card, since that includes the card number and the expiration
date. However, I'd be fine about having them read the three numbers of the
security code from the back.
Seems to me, these days, that using a card to shop online or to pay in a
store or restaurant is more risky than having a person read the three
numbers on the back of the card.
Just my thoughts, of course. Each to their own level of personal risk.
Warmly,
Heather


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I've never used it but the APP bemyeyes.org might give you the feedback you
are looking for.

Michael

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Hi,
  Actually just an iPod:)!

Dr. Christine M. Szostak
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Department of Social Sciences
Shorter University
Rome, Georgia
szostak.1 at osu.edu
cszostak at shorter.edu

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Hi,
The one thing I can think of is that you could do face time or Skype with
someone if you have a phone, which you must since you  tried  KNFB  reader,
and then they could look at the card.
Bonnie

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> On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Szostak, Christine via blindtlk 
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>  I am trying to get the pin off of my ATM card. Since I live alone and 
> no where near family, I want to try to get this info myself rather 
> than having to rely on a neighbor I do not know very well. However, my 
> OpenBook and OCR apps (e.g., KNFB Reader...) can not read this info.
> Does anyone have solutions for how to get this info without any vision?
> Have a great weekend all!
> Chris
>
> Dr. Christine M. Szostak
> Assistant Professor of Psychology
> Department of Social Sciences
> Shorter University
> Rome, Georgia
> szostak.1 at osu.edu<mailto:szostak.1 at osu.edu>
> cszostak at shorter.edu
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